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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 5500786" data-attributes="member: 22779">Considering the lambasting I got from BryonD for making this sort of claim about 3e, I wonder if you will take a similar level of criticism from the same sources?Yes, if you use a system without any input from the DM, that system will suck.  Totally agree there.IMO, 4e gives a great deal more guidance to the DM for how and where that input would be most effective, but, obviously there's some disagreement there.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />I would also point out something.  While I might ciriticise 3e for this or that, I most certainly would not characterize my 3e experiences as negative.  I had a barrel of fun with 3e.  I just find myself having more fun with 4e.  Then again, it could easily be "the new shiney" effect.  I played 3e for almost ten years, weekly and sometimes twice weekly, so, I logged the hell out of a lot of hours in 3e.  To the point where relatively minor issues can be magnified beyond their actual importance.  Add to that, an almost weekly (and sometimes daily) discussion about 3e, and I'm pretty burned out on the system.But, I'm also slowly realizing that this conversation is largely untenable.  If we discuss 4e and don't absolutely follow the letter of the rule, then we're accused of intellectual dishonesty.  But, if we apply the same discussion rules to other editions, we're accused of being poor DM's and not playing the game right.  It's a no win situation.</blockquote>

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