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Message: <blockquote data-quote="nnms" data-source="post: 5501144" data-attributes="member: 83293">I just reread this thread from front to back.  Here's what I learned:If you have something negative to say about any edition of D&D, don't frame it in objective terms.  As if your opinion of what you don't like is some universal measure of how to assess RPGs.Similarly, if you see someone do the above, don't interpret it as an attack on what you love.  Interpret it as them being ignorant about the objectivity of their subjective opinion.As long as we have an "us vs them" mentality, the edition wars will rage on.  Whether it's is OD&D guys lamenting how quickly RPGing lost it's way, or AD&D1E players talking about how Gygax's vision was so utterly betrayed by "Zeb the destroyer" or 2E players talking about how a Collectible Card Game company turned D&D into a table top version of a video game or Pathfinder players talking about how 4E is just WoW on the table top, or 4E players decrying OD&D as being the game of ego-trip DMs, it's all the same crap.These people that play games you don't like.  They're gamers like you.  They're not in some rival camp that you need to do battle with.  It's okay for people to like different things than you.As for WotC's screw ups as a company, I think it's best to ask ourselves if our hobby focus is best spent on dwelling on those or playing games we love.  Yep, they made some moves that pissed you off, but is winning an internet message board argument about it going to undo those changes?I'm starting to find things about 4E that I don't like.  I played it since before day one and have given it an honest go.  Now I'm starting to implement some house rules to make it do more of what I want.  I find myself referring to Dark Dungeons an awful lot as I prep my 4E games.  Does that mean I think 4E without an old school influence added on is objectively bad, or good?</blockquote>

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