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Mearls' Legends and Lore - poll on delve format for adventures
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<blockquote data-quote="Alzrius" data-source="post: 5513658" data-attributes="member: 8461"><p>Your stance seems to be largely based around reprinting the stat blocks for generic monsters in published adventures to reduce page-flipping.</p><p></p><p>Personally, I'm against that, since it means that you're paying for some content that you already own. But if you think it's worth the cost, that's your opinion; I disagree, and most of the people I game with disagree also.</p><p></p><p>In fact, if you remove that idea, your point seems to largely fall apart. Sure, it'd be nice if a given adventure reprinted <em>everything</em> so that you don't have to ever consult another book while running it, but having it list all of the feats, powers, generic monsters, etc. doesn't seem to be worthwhile (at least to me).</p><p></p><p>You seem to be of the opinion that page-flipping is entirely removable; maybe so, but in most practical contexts I've seen, that's not the case. PCs or the GM need to look up a magic item or feat again; monsters are summoned (not everyone plays 4E, after all) - that can't be helped. What can be helped is not having to flip back and forth from the body of the adventure to the back where the encounter information is located.</p><p></p><p>And even if we leave that aside, why can't those monster stat blocks be reprinted in the body of the adventure where the PCs meet them? How is it better to stick them in a two-page area in the back of the book? To summarize, it isn't. Just put the monsters where you meet the monsters. </p><p></p><p>That's not even taking into account the idea that a hard limit of two pages might not be enough to list all of the given information for an area - you say a good delve encounter will list all of the information for an area and its inhabitants. If there's simply not enough room to fit all of the information in two pages, then it's going to be split up no matter what you do.</p><p></p><p>The delve format might have been a good concept, but in actuality reprinting things from the books (like the MM) that a GM will have anyway in the name of convenience isn't worthwhile. I'd rather have a little page-flipping than buy the same content over and over; that's still no reason to remove the encounter information from the location information where the encounter happens.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Alzrius, post: 5513658, member: 8461"] Your stance seems to be largely based around reprinting the stat blocks for generic monsters in published adventures to reduce page-flipping. Personally, I'm against that, since it means that you're paying for some content that you already own. But if you think it's worth the cost, that's your opinion; I disagree, and most of the people I game with disagree also. In fact, if you remove that idea, your point seems to largely fall apart. Sure, it'd be nice if a given adventure reprinted [i]everything[/i] so that you don't have to ever consult another book while running it, but having it list all of the feats, powers, generic monsters, etc. doesn't seem to be worthwhile (at least to me). You seem to be of the opinion that page-flipping is entirely removable; maybe so, but in most practical contexts I've seen, that's not the case. PCs or the GM need to look up a magic item or feat again; monsters are summoned (not everyone plays 4E, after all) - that can't be helped. What can be helped is not having to flip back and forth from the body of the adventure to the back where the encounter information is located. And even if we leave that aside, why can't those monster stat blocks be reprinted in the body of the adventure where the PCs meet them? How is it better to stick them in a two-page area in the back of the book? To summarize, it isn't. Just put the monsters where you meet the monsters. That's not even taking into account the idea that a hard limit of two pages might not be enough to list all of the given information for an area - you say a good delve encounter will list all of the information for an area and its inhabitants. If there's simply not enough room to fit all of the information in two pages, then it's going to be split up no matter what you do. The delve format might have been a good concept, but in actuality reprinting things from the books (like the MM) that a GM will have anyway in the name of convenience isn't worthwhile. I'd rather have a little page-flipping than buy the same content over and over; that's still no reason to remove the encounter information from the location information where the encounter happens. [/QUOTE]
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