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<blockquote data-quote="Doctor Proctor" data-source="post: 4598957" data-attributes="member: 78547">How about &quot;At-Wills that attack every NAD&quot;? (if you include the illusion ones)&nbsp; Or how about &quot;The ability to throw out large AoE effects, large burst power, status inducing effects and big multi-square forced movement effects.&nbsp; Or any combination thereof.&quot;Or to break it down further, think of it from the literature perspective.&nbsp; When you think of a classic &quot;Fighter&quot; hero, you think of someone that take on many opponents at once and protect his allies.&nbsp; This is exemplified in the Marking, Combat Challenge and Combat Superiority class abilities (and further so in his powers such as the ones that allow him to mark for a whole encounter, or things like Interposing Shield and the powers that grant AC bonuses to allies).When you think of a &quot;Cleric&quot;-type hero, you probably think of a magical hero.&nbsp; Again, this is exemplified in the Healing Word class ability (and further in other healing powers...) and perhaps the Channel Divinity feature (Essentially, Divine Intervention on demand).When you think of a &quot;Wizard&quot; in fantasy literature, what do you think of?&nbsp; Usually something like Merlin calling forth the Dragon's Breath for Uther, or his ability to Scry.&nbsp; Perhaps you think of Gandalf battling Saruman, or the Balrog on the bridge.&nbsp; These are powers, not things that can be distilled down into class abilities like the others.&nbsp; Even those others have powers within their builds that accentuate the class abilities, as I stated above.&nbsp; The Wizard, to an extent, has that as well if you consider his spells as an extension of the cantrips...but I think that's stretching it a bit far (not to mention that you don't pick those up when you multiclass).Basically, when I think Wizard I think someone casting powerful spells, and that's exactly what multiclassing gives me.&nbsp; Their other &quot;class feature&quot; that goes along with this is their free rituals.&nbsp; The things I mentioned before, like Scrying, can be accessed through the appropriate rituals, which the Wizard gets for free.&nbsp; I don't see a problem with this, other than the fact that you're just trying to fit the Wizard into a neat little box in line with the rest of the classes.&nbsp; I just don't see how that's going to happen, nor how it makes sense with fantasy characters in general.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Doctor Proctor, post: 4598957, member: 78547"] How about "At-Wills that attack every NAD"? (if you include the illusion ones) Or how about "The ability to throw out large AoE effects, large burst power, status inducing effects and big multi-square forced movement effects. Or any combination thereof." Or to break it down further, think of it from the literature perspective. When you think of a classic "Fighter" hero, you think of someone that take on many opponents at once and protect his allies. This is exemplified in the Marking, Combat Challenge and Combat Superiority class abilities (and further so in his powers such as the ones that allow him to mark for a whole encounter, or things like Interposing Shield and the powers that grant AC bonuses to allies). When you think of a "Cleric"-type hero, you probably think of a magical hero. Again, this is exemplified in the Healing Word class ability (and further in other healing powers...) and perhaps the Channel Divinity feature (Essentially, Divine Intervention on demand). When you think of a "Wizard" in fantasy literature, what do you think of? Usually something like Merlin calling forth the Dragon's Breath for Uther, or his ability to Scry. Perhaps you think of Gandalf battling Saruman, or the Balrog on the bridge. These are [B]powers[/B], not things that can be distilled down into class abilities like the others. Even those others have powers within their builds that accentuate the class abilities, as I stated above. The Wizard, to an extent, has that as well if you consider his spells as an extension of the cantrips...but I think that's stretching it a bit far (not to mention that you don't pick those up when you multiclass). Basically, when I think Wizard I think someone casting powerful spells, and that's exactly what multiclassing gives me. Their other "class feature" that goes along with this is their free rituals. The things I mentioned before, like Scrying, can be accessed through the appropriate rituals, which the Wizard gets for free. I don't see a problem with this, other than the fact that you're just trying to fit the Wizard into a neat little box in line with the rest of the classes. I just don't see how that's going to happen, nor how it makes sense with fantasy characters in general. [/QUOTE]

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