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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 7760981" data-attributes="member: 23751"><p>I'm not mixing up anything. Initiative in the game is rolled before any attack happens. That's the order of things. It's very literally impossible for an attack to happen prior to initiative being rolled, so no side is attacking the other. They may want to attack the other. They may look like they are going to attack the other. But no attack or combat has happened yet.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes. Let's look at them.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>TO attack them. Meaning, no attack has happened. You can see the intent, but no attack or combat has happened prior to initiative.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is literally impossible until AFTER initiative is rolled. Prior to that, no combat or attack has happened, even though initiative is a part of combat</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>In the first example it's irrelevant whether the action in the fiction has happened, since it is only the intent to attack and not an attack. In the second example while the cube engulfs someone before being noticed, it does not engulf anyone before initiative. In fact, that the cube can engulf someone before it is noticed, and yet that person still rolls initiative, is proof positive that no opposition has occurred with initiative. You can't oppose something either directly or indirectly, if you are unaware of it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You seriously don't think that whether something is a contest or not is a meaningful difference in game play?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I can opt to do nothing, which isn't an action or something that I would be trying to go first at, yet I still roll initiative. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Is this some sort of "I'm rubber, you're glue." moment? I said that already when you assumed what the designer meant without a single iota of evidence to back you up. If I assume that aliens made him rule that way, it's just as valid a speculation about his motives as yours. That validity is 0. Or, you can just accept what he said at face value and not ascribe a motive pulled out of your backside to him.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 7760981, member: 23751"] I'm not mixing up anything. Initiative in the game is rolled before any attack happens. That's the order of things. It's very literally impossible for an attack to happen prior to initiative being rolled, so no side is attacking the other. They may want to attack the other. They may look like they are going to attack the other. But no attack or combat has happened yet. Yes. Let's look at them. TO attack them. Meaning, no attack has happened. You can see the intent, but no attack or combat has happened prior to initiative. This is literally impossible until AFTER initiative is rolled. Prior to that, no combat or attack has happened, even though initiative is a part of combat In the first example it's irrelevant whether the action in the fiction has happened, since it is only the intent to attack and not an attack. In the second example while the cube engulfs someone before being noticed, it does not engulf anyone before initiative. In fact, that the cube can engulf someone before it is noticed, and yet that person still rolls initiative, is proof positive that no opposition has occurred with initiative. You can't oppose something either directly or indirectly, if you are unaware of it. You seriously don't think that whether something is a contest or not is a meaningful difference in game play? I can opt to do nothing, which isn't an action or something that I would be trying to go first at, yet I still roll initiative. Is this some sort of "I'm rubber, you're glue." moment? I said that already when you assumed what the designer meant without a single iota of evidence to back you up. If I assume that aliens made him rule that way, it's just as valid a speculation about his motives as yours. That validity is 0. Or, you can just accept what he said at face value and not ascribe a motive pulled out of your backside to him. [/QUOTE]
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