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<blockquote data-quote="hawkeyefan" data-source="post: 7172506" data-attributes="member: 6785785"><p>I don't think the Monk or the Barbarian really undermine the setting at all. The Monk seems to fit right in with the concept of Psionics (one of the 4E changes that I thought was great). The Barbarian also seems to fit right into the setting. Do they get around the armor limitations, therefore having a bit of an edge? Yes...but that's not really that different from the main setting. They don't need armor....that's one of the perks of the class. It's a bit bigger a perk on Athas, but not gamebreaking by any means. </p><p></p><p>I also think the Warlock/Patron relationship mirrors the Templar/Sorcerer King one so perfectly, that I'm surprised anyone would resist having things work that way. Just modify the spell lists a bit to fit the Templar flavor (maybe even going as far as to have a different list for each Sorcerer King? and then some alternate lists for Warlocks with Patrons other than the Sorcerer Kings). </p><p></p><p>Same with Clerics...come up with a Domain for each of the primary elements, and there you go. </p><p></p><p>Gladiator doesn't need to be its own class, really. A subclass of Fighter, most likely. Maybe a subclass of Barbarian? The "rage" would instead be "combat focus", and you could swap a couple of features to get the right feel. </p><p></p><p>Tieflings, Gnomes, and Half-Orcs feel like they wouldn't be all that disruptive to the setting....they could be reskinned a bit if needed. Half-orcs can essentially be Muls, for the most part. The Dragonborn are probably the most glaring race given that there's only one Dragon on Athas, but even then it can be explained away. </p><p></p><p>Especially if they're dialing things back to the Death of Kalak in Tyr. It's essentially starting over....so there's no reason not to include all the new classes. </p><p></p><p>Again, if Gnomes or Dragonborn didn't make it in, I would shed no tears, but it's really not that big a deal. Especially since the rules for Gnomes are in the PHB, so I can add them back in if I wanted.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="hawkeyefan, post: 7172506, member: 6785785"] I don't think the Monk or the Barbarian really undermine the setting at all. The Monk seems to fit right in with the concept of Psionics (one of the 4E changes that I thought was great). The Barbarian also seems to fit right into the setting. Do they get around the armor limitations, therefore having a bit of an edge? Yes...but that's not really that different from the main setting. They don't need armor....that's one of the perks of the class. It's a bit bigger a perk on Athas, but not gamebreaking by any means. I also think the Warlock/Patron relationship mirrors the Templar/Sorcerer King one so perfectly, that I'm surprised anyone would resist having things work that way. Just modify the spell lists a bit to fit the Templar flavor (maybe even going as far as to have a different list for each Sorcerer King? and then some alternate lists for Warlocks with Patrons other than the Sorcerer Kings). Same with Clerics...come up with a Domain for each of the primary elements, and there you go. Gladiator doesn't need to be its own class, really. A subclass of Fighter, most likely. Maybe a subclass of Barbarian? The "rage" would instead be "combat focus", and you could swap a couple of features to get the right feel. Tieflings, Gnomes, and Half-Orcs feel like they wouldn't be all that disruptive to the setting....they could be reskinned a bit if needed. Half-orcs can essentially be Muls, for the most part. The Dragonborn are probably the most glaring race given that there's only one Dragon on Athas, but even then it can be explained away. Especially if they're dialing things back to the Death of Kalak in Tyr. It's essentially starting over....so there's no reason not to include all the new classes. Again, if Gnomes or Dragonborn didn't make it in, I would shed no tears, but it's really not that big a deal. Especially since the rules for Gnomes are in the PHB, so I can add them back in if I wanted. [/QUOTE]
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