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<blockquote data-quote="Remathilis" data-source="post: 7172689" data-attributes="member: 7635">I've always been respectful. My point is that there is nothing in the tropes of Dark Sun (post-apocalyptic wasteland, psionics, strained magic, remote gods, strange creatures, and non-metal technology) that precludes dragonborn, warlocks, or monks. Only the silly notion that the setting cannot change or adapt to fit more of the default PHB offerings (reflavored as needed) and must only use the barest subsection of rules to remain faithful to the setting &quot;as first described&quot;. Yet people somehow think this means I want full knights in shining armor charging through with lances on horseback in Athas. Nothing can be further from the truth. I want an Athasian version of the dragonborn, I want them to find a place among the Wastes. I see no reason why an altered backstory and origin (as well as some new personality/cultural traits) can't be done to make them fit. They're no weirder than sentient mantises who can't talk. My point has always been to look at a setting and think &quot;The PHB views the D&amp;D tropes through a High Fantasy lens. What would D&amp;D look like through a Sword &amp; Sorcery (or Gothic Horror, or Epic Fantasy, or Pulp, or Wuxia, etc) lens instead? How would that color what is in the Core books? How do tieflings fit in gothic horror or monks in Epic Fantasy? And there should be some respect for the past, but slavish devotion to it breeds stagnation.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Remathilis, post: 7172689, member: 7635"] I've always been respectful. My point is that there is nothing in the tropes of Dark Sun (post-apocalyptic wasteland, psionics, strained magic, remote gods, strange creatures, and non-metal technology) that precludes dragonborn, warlocks, or monks. Only the silly notion that the setting cannot change or adapt to fit more of the default PHB offerings (reflavored as needed) and must only use the barest subsection of rules to remain faithful to the setting "as first described". Yet people somehow think this means I want full knights in shining armor charging through with lances on horseback in Athas. Nothing can be further from the truth. I want an Athasian version of the dragonborn, I want them to find a place among the Wastes. I see no reason why an altered backstory and origin (as well as some new personality/cultural traits) can't be done to make them fit. They're no weirder than sentient mantises who can't talk. My point has always been to look at a setting and think "The PHB views the D&D tropes through a High Fantasy lens. What would D&D look like through a Sword & Sorcery (or Gothic Horror, or Epic Fantasy, or Pulp, or Wuxia, etc) lens instead? How would that color what is in the Core books? How do tieflings fit in gothic horror or monks in Epic Fantasy? And there should be some respect for the past, but slavish devotion to it breeds stagnation. [/QUOTE]

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