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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Zardnaar" data-source="post: 7175108" data-attributes="member: 6716779">Depends on what the game is trying to do. Ravenloft for example did make Paladins lives more erm interesting so to speak.  There is also a wide varitety of undead as well, so in an undead thmed game a cleric even if focused on undead will struggle depending on how encounters are structured.  Even 2E Darksun nerfed or removed the spells that were a bit to good at creating food and water, other things got removed as well such as decanters of endless water. A lot of that was key to the world though, it had its own rules on magic and how things interacted with the world and things like the Athas cosmology. If you ran allow mgic game and most of the spellcasting classes were banned or changed I would have no problem with it in theory, the execution would matter though. If magic did not work full stop and you only had a few classes (Assassin, Thief, Champion, Battlemaster, Open handed monk) and the setting was interesting enough I would not mind.  Or if the DM ran a historical game or mythological game where you could only take 1 spellcaster level every for or  levels (do by level 20 you could be spellcaster 4/whatever 16).</blockquote>