Reply to thread

Message: <blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 3040739" data-attributes="member: 957">No, you are no longer even speaking to the point YOU first made.Nobody has at any point challenged that a mind flayer with CR10 gear is a reasonable CR10.  Defending that point shows that you have lost track of the discussion.YOU were comparing the mind flayer to the npc psion 9.  You were listing things that a mind flayer has which are advantages against a CR9 opponent.You point was that showing the advantages the mind flayer has over a CR9 psion shows that a mind flayer is CR10.One of the points you made was that a mind flayer has the same gear as the psion.But at CR9 a mind flayer at CR9 has 75% of the gear as a psion9.This is a disadvantage.  You gave it to much gear and called it a wash.That was wrong.I'll accept your postion that the OTHER items make it ok to say CR10.  I already agreed to that.  But you have to establish it is to powerful at CR9 BEFORE you bump it to CR10.  And you have to bump it to CR10 BEFORE you can assign it CR10 gear.  If you give it the CR10 gear BEFORE you make the case that it deserves to be CR10 then you have made a logical error.Just the same as giving an orc fighter 1 to much gear would not logically establish that the orc fighter 1 is a higher CR.I might say that an orc fighter 1 with EL5 gear is a good CR2 or CR3 monster.  Even if I'm right, that does not impact the correct CR of a basic orc fighter 1.</blockquote>