Reply to thread

Message

<blockquote data-quote="bowbe" data-source="post: 2966039" data-attributes="member: 6328">Agreed, however sometimes it's nice for a monster to just be a monster and have monster stats. I get all the goodies of monster levels and so on... just saying that I think thats the approach that best suits an Ogre Mage... A basic &quot;ogre mage&quot; with a few variants for things it gains as it &quot;levels up&quot; template wise I guess. Point being there are tons of alternatives that already exist for humanoid critters, giants, and so on. Likewise there are genies that have examples given of &quot;noble&quot; classed stats amongst them. To me a Ogre Mage is more of a genie outsider type race than an ogre type race. Thus the talk about the extra class levels and so on makes sense. I just felt that a simple baseline (perhaps low) CR low HD version of the Ogre mage would be the way to go so that you could easily tack on whatever character classes make it your &quot;style&quot; of Ogre mage. I'm really getting more and more inclined to feel that way with several sorts of humanoid monsters and outsiders as I continue to play into my 6th year of 3.xRacial benefits that grow as the monster levels up or increases based on its natural size and hit dice (i.e. monster classes) work nicely into the existing framework. If your going to re-work the monsters, I guess I feel that Re-working the monsters to fit a simplified baseline starting &quot;monster package&quot; works better for everyone and would in my mind be the development design mode to take.It helps a GM create the monster they want from a simple setup, and gives players who get off on playing monsters an easier time of it than waiting around for everyone else to catch up before they get to level one time. Helps play balance because you don't have a monster PC thats 4 times stronger than everyone else to start with, but then becomes a burden at higher levels because they dont have all the class features everyone else has.I guess what I am getting at is perhaps every humanoid/humanoid outsider, giant and so on should be a template or &quot;race&quot; as described in various books rather than a &quot;monster&quot; as statted in the monster manual. Anyhow, gonna fiddle a bit with some of this stuff and see what happens.Case</blockquote>

[QUOTE="bowbe, post: 2966039, member: 6328"] Agreed, however sometimes it's nice for a monster to just be a monster and have monster stats. I get all the goodies of monster levels and so on... just saying that I think thats the approach that best suits an Ogre Mage... A basic "ogre mage" with a few variants for things it gains as it "levels up" template wise I guess. Point being there are tons of alternatives that already exist for humanoid critters, giants, and so on. Likewise there are genies that have examples given of "noble" classed stats amongst them. To me a Ogre Mage is more of a genie outsider type race than an ogre type race. Thus the talk about the extra class levels and so on makes sense. I just felt that a simple baseline (perhaps low) CR low HD version of the Ogre mage would be the way to go so that you could easily tack on whatever character classes make it your "style" of Ogre mage. I'm really getting more and more inclined to feel that way with several sorts of humanoid monsters and outsiders as I continue to play into my 6th year of 3.x Racial benefits that grow as the monster levels up or increases based on its natural size and hit dice (i.e. monster classes) work nicely into the existing framework. If your going to re-work the monsters, I guess I feel that Re-working the monsters to fit a simplified baseline starting "monster package" works better for everyone and would in my mind be the development design mode to take. It helps a GM create the monster they want from a simple setup, and gives players who get off on playing monsters an easier time of it than waiting around for everyone else to catch up before they get to level one time. Helps play balance because you don't have a monster PC thats 4 times stronger than everyone else to start with, but then becomes a burden at higher levels because they dont have all the class features everyone else has. I guess what I am getting at is perhaps every humanoid/humanoid outsider, giant and so on should be a template or "race" as described in various books rather than a "monster" as statted in the monster manual. Anyhow, gonna fiddle a bit with some of this stuff and see what happens. Case [/QUOTE]

Verification