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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Glyfair" data-source="post: 2967982" data-attributes="member: 53">Even back to OD&D it's clear they are different:To me, it reads like the DM special that were common at the time, where you threw a monster at the party, let them make assumptions, and then it was something different.  The party is prepared for a monsterous melee combat and suddenly realize the monster can cast spells, is best at range, and is far more powerful than the players expect.I'll note there is no picture or description of the Ogre Mage in Greyhawk.  We don't get that until AD&D.(BTW, for those Greyhawk fanatics, I'm curious exactly where in Greyhawk Japan is.  These are noted as being from the East, and I just don't see anything to the  East.)</blockquote>