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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ForeverSlayer" data-source="post: 5565656" data-attributes="member: 91812">Musicians, Athletes, Presidents, Actors, Writers, Game Developers have all brought us some wonderful things, and yet they have also brought us utter crap at times.  Just because Mearls had a hand in some things and came up with good ideas in others doesn't make him flawless.  The excuse, "to err is human" is fine, but it doesn't get you anywhere in business.  Looking at someone's achievements doesn't always forgive them for their failures.  Mearls is rocking the boat on this one and I don't understand why is even talks about the basic thief.  Hell when you compare the thief to what we have now, yes it sucks major.  I think the problem is looking at D&D now and looking at it then.  Now all characters start out heroic, back then you didn't.  You were a novice and you had to work your way up to being a hero.  Some of you talk about how long basic D&D lasted, well did the 1st level thief change all that much during those years?What makes you think outside the box are things the rules don't cover and situations that present themselves.  I wouldn't say the thief was a product of bad rules, its just that it was a weak character.  Now I am looking at the Basic Thief and while his skills are low at 1st level, I understand why. First off yes his HP is 1d4 but that's 1d4 + Constitution bonus. Now mind you the highest HD classes were d8. The thief gains levels faster than any other class. Let's give the thief a 16 Dex with leather armor and that gives him a 5 AC which is the same as Chainmail.  Not bad for a class that is supposed to rely on hitting from behind. The magic-user could cast one spell and then that was it for him.I see nothing wrong with the Basic Thief aside from being a little weak at 1st level, well so were the other classes for that matter. I can see player's from each of those classes thinking outside the box at times, more so with the magic user.</blockquote>

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