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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Loonook" data-source="post: 5882899" data-attributes="member: 1861">The weight is listed on the site @ 20.7 lbs.  Dollars don't necessarily translate well, as D&D has a wage of 1 SP/day of untrained labor.  At current rates (silver has been around 30.00/oz for some time, or 480.00/lb) the average D&D worker would make $9.60 a day.  That means they are making around 1.20/hr if you can assume an 8 hour day.  That means that your standard worker must work 144 days to afford a single EU of energy.  If the person is practicing a trade they are making 6 GP/day if they practice a Profession.  That's a little under ten times the amount of an untrained commoner by the 10/10/10 system of D&D... but with Gold's current rate of exchange to the dollar?  You're looking at pure gold trading at 26430/lb, and those same coins being worth 500$ a piece! Even given 12 karat gold coins you're still looking at half-good pieces worth $250.  That means that commoner would be making $78,000/year.  Now, since apparently D&D just doesn't have enforced taxes... That is an issue.  Now, most who made a comfortable living (and many who didn't) in a medieval society would tithe and pay taxes.  If we cut it down to 50% (generous) after costs of purchasing materials, tithing, etc. your average professional is making 18.75/hr.  Our economy doesn't do a one-to-one translation with the commodities costs.  Think of 1 SP as the cost of sheer survival/day/person.  We're talking gruel, hardtack, and enough room to lay down on your back and pray for better.  If we look into the DMG 3.5 (p. 130 has the insert) lists per-month upkeeps... Self-sufficiency - 20 spMeagre - 50 spPoor - 120 spCommon - 450 spGood - 1000 spExtravagant - 2000 spAnd so on.  Self-sufficient means you're pretty much making everything, picking berries, stealing food, etc while sleeping in the streets (if you do not have a place to stay from other sources).  Meagre assumes the occasional night in a flophouse.  A Poor person could afford a cramped coffin apartment, just enough to make it for themselves... Then it gets better from there.If you were a Commoner with no Profession you could work for 8 hrs and scrape by, gaining the occasional windfall, and in theory spend another 8 hrs hoofing it as a messenger at 2 cp/mile. If you had a Horse who you could graze you could make it being a Messenger, making 2 sp/day from riding at a full move constantly without tiring the horse, set them to bed outside the city, and make 9 GP/month untrained.  A 1st level Commoner Professional makes 240 SP/month assuming 2 ranks, or 280 SP/month assuming a 10 on the roll and 4 ranks in their Profession.  So any individual who actually has a Profession can support themselves and 1 more unit of individuals (another adult, 2 children...) in (semi-comfortable) poverty.I'm still saying your best bet is trading in Lamps and Lampstones, and the Oven that we discussed above, and the weights I have supplied are well within the ranges you discuss.  A small trade ship could carry around 1000 ovens or 7500 lamps without any issue.Slainte,-Loonook.</blockquote>

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