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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Psion" data-source="post: 399171" data-attributes="member: 172">No, you are allowing it by applying the system blindly; the system does not state "use a straight roll-off for arm-wrestling". You assume that you would roll off an arm wrestle using the normal opposed roll system. I wouldn't. The system is useful but it is also simple; you can't apply it without using your brain. Were it not so, we would be flipping through the book for every specific implementation. As it is, the d20-roll is used to resolve a rather uncertain situation.There are two possibilities hereFirst, you can just use the take ten rules -- the person with the higher strength always wins; resolve ties with a roll-off, perhaps using Con instead.Second, when you have big differences, you can also make that difference more marked by requiring multiple rolls. For example, here's a quick arm wresling system:Each character rolls a strength check. If a character rolls 10 more than his opponent, he wins instantly. If a character wins 3 more checks than his opponent, he also wins. You could throw con rolls in here, too.This isn't really true. Take a look at what you are really seeing here. The d20 roll has precisely the same impact at low levels at high levels. If you have a +0 modifier, a DC that is 21 beyond your modifier is as much beyond your ability as it is for a DC that is 21 beyond the modifier of a high level character who has a +25 modifier. The difference here is what DCs are challenging for a particular character; A DC 21 is beyond the first character and a DC 46 is beyond the second character. It is up the the DM (with a little guidance) to set the DC of tasks.What you are seeing here is a design principle of D&D: levels are more important than attributes. D&D has always been a game where a sufficiently skilled human could take on giants; this sort of design is implicit in such heroic fantasy.I'm not sure what you are talking about. If you mean due to their sheer skill -- well duh! Of course a god of the forge isn't going to have a problem forging a sword.If you are talking about the divine ability to roll 20s for all things -- no. That is a special ability of deities and a significant boon at that. It is not because "there's no point." There is still a point when it comes to epic tasks.I'm not seeing the logical support for this statement.Your 3e campaigns? My 3e campaign is still steaming along nicely at 17th level -- it's just a matter of matching the challenge to the character.Earlier editions, my campaigns broke down around 13th level -- but that was due to the scaling (or lack thereof) in earlier editions and has little to do with the d20.</blockquote>

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