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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 7845135" data-attributes="member: 29398">Which in effect boils down to the same thing: play my way or go home.Re: secretly following party:OK, first off, the DM has no say whatsoever in whether a character gets booted from a party (unless the DM has one or more NPCs in the party who could, along with the PCs, voice an opinion based on their established character).And, even if a character gets booted from a party it still a) is a character existing in the game world and b) has a player attached.  So until-unless the player turns that PC over to the DM to use as an NPC that character still belongs to the player.I'm not saying any session time needs be spent on sorting out what that character does next (other than maybe a short exchange of notes between player and DM so the DM knows what the player has in mind), but at some point the player and DM would sit down over a beer and update that PC or do it by email.This is what I disagree with.The social contract quite rightly tells me I can't just reach across the table, haul off and punch Bob in the face.  But there's absolutely nothing saying my character Eohyl can't haul off and punch Bob's character Falstaff in the face, even though Bob and I might otherwise be the best of friends.Actually, yes it is; as it's the harmless shenanigans and PvP that can be (and IME are) laughed off that are what people seem to want to ban; and I'm not cool with that.Other than the bolded bit, this is a whole different element, recently discussed to death in a few threads regarding X-cards and triggering and so forth; and no, upsetting a real-world player due to real-world issues is not my intention.But the piece about the long-term change to a well-loved character?  Happens all the time as a known part of the game; the only difference here is that the source of said change might be another PC rather than something in the setting (e.g. trap) or opposition.</blockquote>

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