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<blockquote data-quote="Cap'n Kobold" data-source="post: 7845172" data-attributes="member: 6802951"><p>If you're not willing to play the game in the way that the DM and the other players want to, then yes.</p><p></p><p> IME, before having their characters boot another player's character from the party, players will usually check with the DM and the other player to make sure they're OK with that. - Generally because most of the games I've seen have been non-PVP and with the social contract of "Make sure that the character you're generating will be able to work with the party" laid down in session zero.</p><p></p><p> Lets look at the actual example that this discussion has been about shall we: A couple of people expressed the thought that permanent and major changes to their character's appearance or alignment would not be something that they wish to see happen, to the point that they may simply cease to play that character.</p><p>Thus the social contract would seem to be that you cannot (or at least should not) take the action that dnd4vr suggested, which was to use a wish spell to alter that player's character in that fashion.</p><p></p><p>In a PVP game, or one in which the other players wouldn't be upset by that happening, its probably fine. But in the example being discussed, where the player has expressed a clear indication that they wouldn't be happy with something, doing that thing isn't going to be fine.</p><p></p><p>If it comes up in the course of the adventure (prewritten perhaps, as the DM should probably not deliberately create something that they know will be a problem), then that is acceptable, just like legitimate character death would be. But for another player to deliberately do something they know will upset another player, there is an issue.</p><p></p><p> I don't think that anyone has expressed any wishes about harmless shenanigans and agreed upon PVP here. Unless I'm on someone's ignore list, I don't think that its come up.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cap'n Kobold, post: 7845172, member: 6802951"] If you're not willing to play the game in the way that the DM and the other players want to, then yes. IME, before having their characters boot another player's character from the party, players will usually check with the DM and the other player to make sure they're OK with that. - Generally because most of the games I've seen have been non-PVP and with the social contract of "Make sure that the character you're generating will be able to work with the party" laid down in session zero. Lets look at the actual example that this discussion has been about shall we: A couple of people expressed the thought that permanent and major changes to their character's appearance or alignment would not be something that they wish to see happen, to the point that they may simply cease to play that character. Thus the social contract would seem to be that you cannot (or at least should not) take the action that dnd4vr suggested, which was to use a wish spell to alter that player's character in that fashion. In a PVP game, or one in which the other players wouldn't be upset by that happening, its probably fine. But in the example being discussed, where the player has expressed a clear indication that they wouldn't be happy with something, doing that thing isn't going to be fine. If it comes up in the course of the adventure (prewritten perhaps, as the DM should probably not deliberately create something that they know will be a problem), then that is acceptable, just like legitimate character death would be. But for another player to deliberately do something they know will upset another player, there is an issue. I don't think that anyone has expressed any wishes about harmless shenanigans and agreed upon PVP here. Unless I'm on someone's ignore list, I don't think that its come up. [/QUOTE]
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