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<blockquote data-quote="WizarDru" data-source="post: 1492618" data-attributes="member: 151"><p>Okay, let's back up a step. There were peasants, serfs, villeins and others...most of whom are rural folk. If you really mean an honest-to-goodness medeival city, the rioters are likely to be pulled from the ranks of guildsmen, merchants, servants and various craftsmen. Farmers would come in to the city to sell their wares, but they certainly didn't live there, and it wouldn't be practical for them to riot there unless there was something like a festival or fair in progress to bring them there.</p><p> </p><p>Understand that the average peasant wasn't alway so much afraid of his local lord/lady as he was conditioned by his society to serve them. The average peasant accepted his lot in life, and assumed certain social contracts. The local lord had his end of the bargain to maintain, and failure to do so <em>could</em> lead to things like riots. Or it might not. The situation was a lot more complicated than it first appears.</p><p> </p><p>Understand also that excommunication was not the same kind of threat that you might think it is. The church didn't threatened much more than they actually did, because if you use that club too often, it loses it's effectivenes. Remember also that at certain points in history, such as the 12th-13th centuries, Bishops were as powerful or more powerful than local lords, and often people might be in a Bishopric, paying homage and receiving protection from the local cleric. And there instances of rioting against Bishops too, and even killing them during the riots. Why did they riot? For the reasons mentioned above, and for all the common reasons you might expect: usually financial abuses, or anything that made life simply intolerable for the common man. If you tax someone into starvation, they reach a breaking point. A man with nothing to lose is a very dangerous man, as some medieval lords found out the hard way. Excommunication was really something of a rich man's penalty, in many ways.</p><p> </p><p>Remember that more often than not, medieval lords are all about the Benjamins. Affect their bottom line, and they'll get violent and be glad to smack a rebellion down....but killing all of your own workers is counterproductive. If you have soldiers kill them all, you still lose. Negotioation and capitulation occured as often as not. A good church would try to faciliatate this, after arresting the riot (if possible).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="WizarDru, post: 1492618, member: 151"] Okay, let's back up a step. There were peasants, serfs, villeins and others...most of whom are rural folk. If you really mean an honest-to-goodness medeival city, the rioters are likely to be pulled from the ranks of guildsmen, merchants, servants and various craftsmen. Farmers would come in to the city to sell their wares, but they certainly didn't live there, and it wouldn't be practical for them to riot there unless there was something like a festival or fair in progress to bring them there. Understand that the average peasant wasn't alway so much afraid of his local lord/lady as he was conditioned by his society to serve them. The average peasant accepted his lot in life, and assumed certain social contracts. The local lord had his end of the bargain to maintain, and failure to do so [i]could[/i] lead to things like riots. Or it might not. The situation was a lot more complicated than it first appears. Understand also that excommunication was not the same kind of threat that you might think it is. The church didn't threatened much more than they actually did, because if you use that club too often, it loses it's effectivenes. Remember also that at certain points in history, such as the 12th-13th centuries, Bishops were as powerful or more powerful than local lords, and often people might be in a Bishopric, paying homage and receiving protection from the local cleric. And there instances of rioting against Bishops too, and even killing them during the riots. Why did they riot? For the reasons mentioned above, and for all the common reasons you might expect: usually financial abuses, or anything that made life simply intolerable for the common man. If you tax someone into starvation, they reach a breaking point. A man with nothing to lose is a very dangerous man, as some medieval lords found out the hard way. Excommunication was really something of a rich man's penalty, in many ways. Remember that more often than not, medieval lords are all about the Benjamins. Affect their bottom line, and they'll get violent and be glad to smack a rebellion down....but killing all of your own workers is counterproductive. If you have soldiers kill them all, you still lose. Negotioation and capitulation occured as often as not. A good church would try to faciliatate this, after arresting the riot (if possible). [/QUOTE]
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