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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cap'n Kobold" data-source="post: 7486769" data-attributes="member: 6802951">Just to clarify: When you talk about "grappling" you both seem to be requiring the grappler to be bodily lifting or dragging their opponent rather than head/arm/whatever locks or gripping somewhere sensitive.Is that correct? Logically the fact that a person is capable of supporting their own weight and has a tendency to more in fairly predictable ways under some stimuli would indicate that moving them whilst you have a grip on them would be easier than a 1 ton statue.This is visible in for example videos of police actions: a demonstrator who goes completely limp requires several officers to carry. One that stays upright and under their own power can be moved by one when put in a hold. A dead horse for example, is probably flat-out too heavy to move unassisted. A living horse however, even one that doesn't want to go with you can be forced to move in a direction under its own power. The creature might be making attacks with the intent of killing/injuring you, but gripping the ears or lips for example may still allow you to drag it around.</blockquote>