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Message: <blockquote data-quote="moritheil" data-source="post: 2473988" data-attributes="member: 30610">Semantics. I never said it disappeared off your sheet entirely. I just said that you temporarily don't have it for the purposes of using it or qualifying for other feats.Re: Ranger, Virtual Feats are for all intents and purposes Feats in terms of qualifying for other Feats. You continue in your observations that what happens to the ranger feats isn't explicitly applicable to normal feats - and I mentioned that the VERY FIRST TIME I mentioned Ranger, before you even took it up. Did you think that I wasn't aware of it at any point, or are you hoping that I'll forget that I mentioned that line of argument before you even used it?Aha, I knew it. You don't like the fact that I pre-empted arguments. I only mentioned many of those things to forestall possible arguments based on balance ("I need to maintain my power level, thus I should have X feats, or I'm being shortchanged") and the like.Let me ask you something: What is the requirement for Power Attack?It is strength 13. Am I correct? So, put another way, you must have strength 13 to have Power Attack. I trust that, semantics or not, you will agree.Do you meet the requirements by having a strength below 13?  No?  Then you do not currently have the feat.Does Cleave require Power Attack?  Yes?  You do not currently have Power Attack.  Does that logically suggest something to you?Can you cite somewhere where it says that you retain other feats that depend on the feat you no longer qualify for?PS: If you want to word it "cannot use," that's fine.  I can state that he "cannot use" the feat to qualify for another feat.</blockquote>

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