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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Victim" data-source="post: 835956" data-attributes="member: 78">Or you could have a level 12 caster24 INT from level increases and magicSpell focus evocation10d6, DC 22.  Most classes without good reflex saves have a decent chance of failing that.  They probably would be more likely to make the saving throw if the flat system from previous editions was used.And then there's the fact that the wizard is using one of his weaker spells.  Because of his bonus INT and changes to the spell system, he'll have 3 6th level spells compared the 2e caster's one.  Maybe he should use those powerful spells instead.Quite frankly, save or die spells are much more dangerous at high levels because the save DC roughly scales with level.  Will power saves generally suck for fighters and rogues.Finally, any moron with axe can do damage.  It's a waste of a wizard's ability if he's going to do the same job as the fighter.  Where are the tactics you were talking about?  Good luck countering flying or invisible foes without the aid of wizard.  Good tactics might involve aiming the Hold at a sword guy separated from the group right before one of your allies attacks.  Bam!  Instant coup de grace.   There are no tactics to counter Harm.  The only spell counter in the PHB is Spell Resistance.  Any form of magical mobility will almost certainly allow the caster close to melee.  Touch attacks are trivial, especially with a Divine Favor running.In my experience, the problem with Haste isn't so much that it doubles spellcasting, but that everyone wants extra actions, and thus haste.  Everyone shouldn't be running around hasted.  My wizard often uses haste and doesn't do much damage compared to the archer or fighter barb.  But I'll let you now when counters to flight and invis, teleport spells, divination magic that scouts out dungeons, offensive Polymorphs and enhancement magic for allies are all useless.</blockquote>

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