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<blockquote data-quote="Scion" data-source="post: 1723513" data-attributes="member: 5777"><p>First off, your new con does not change your hp. As per the raw (both as written in the core books and as the errata to the dmg, no we dont know why it was put into the dmg, states) The 'rules of the game' articles have way too many errors to be truely decissive ;/ Especially when they fly in the face of the errata.</p><p></p><p>Secondly, looks like the skin of the proteus actually puts the fighter up to the level where he should be. Maybe the fighter should have some sort of build in ability akin to it.</p><p></p><p>He is able to be a combat machine in his chosen form of combat (whatever that may be), even surpassing the other fighter types in various aspects.</p><p></p><p>Sounds perfect, I'll have to work on something like that to add onto the fighter type of class (not quite as strong though, as I would also like them to have a few knowledge skills. after all, who better than the fighter to be a general of an army?)</p><p></p><p>A few questions about the build that I am not seeing right off:</p><p></p><p>Avg damage</p><p>3d6+5 (weapon)+24 (str)+4 (2 ws)+40 (full power attack) = avg 83.5</p><p>You put down 134.5. Even taking into account crits the damage doesnt come anywher near that, even maxed out. Where am I missing some extra damage points?</p><p></p><p>You are only size large so I dont see how you have all of the superiority you are claiming for reach. It is the most minimal amount and reach can be avoided in a number of ways, high level characters will tend to ignore reach a good portion of the time.</p><p></p><p>Changing into an ettin does you little to no good, as you wont gain its special qualities (as per the description of metamorphosis). I also dont see how a few of those other forms you list will help you at all, generally they have lesser/equal abilities to the one form you did pick to stat out. Especially if you change into the gray glutton as you will lose str and your weapon will be of the wrong size for your form.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Also, comparing to what your other character had you have 6 higher AC but a lower touch ac. All of that difference can be eliminated by your other character useing his charge of alter self.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Also, you are sitting pretty at about 800k right now, adding on extra pearls of power is a bit out of the question <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>All in all the two characters are not horribly disimilar in a lot of ways. Sure the halfling does better in several areas, but this is more from incredible min/maxing where you simply ignore fighter stats because later in your carear you will have this item. But even then it isnt so incredibly better across the board (some areas are, some arent) as to be able to say the item is horribly overpowered.</p><p></p><p>I would like to know where that damage output comes from though, it seems incredibly off. I cant even begin to look at the rest of the damage stats until that part is explained.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Scion, post: 1723513, member: 5777"] First off, your new con does not change your hp. As per the raw (both as written in the core books and as the errata to the dmg, no we dont know why it was put into the dmg, states) The 'rules of the game' articles have way too many errors to be truely decissive ;/ Especially when they fly in the face of the errata. Secondly, looks like the skin of the proteus actually puts the fighter up to the level where he should be. Maybe the fighter should have some sort of build in ability akin to it. He is able to be a combat machine in his chosen form of combat (whatever that may be), even surpassing the other fighter types in various aspects. Sounds perfect, I'll have to work on something like that to add onto the fighter type of class (not quite as strong though, as I would also like them to have a few knowledge skills. after all, who better than the fighter to be a general of an army?) A few questions about the build that I am not seeing right off: Avg damage 3d6+5 (weapon)+24 (str)+4 (2 ws)+40 (full power attack) = avg 83.5 You put down 134.5. Even taking into account crits the damage doesnt come anywher near that, even maxed out. Where am I missing some extra damage points? You are only size large so I dont see how you have all of the superiority you are claiming for reach. It is the most minimal amount and reach can be avoided in a number of ways, high level characters will tend to ignore reach a good portion of the time. Changing into an ettin does you little to no good, as you wont gain its special qualities (as per the description of metamorphosis). I also dont see how a few of those other forms you list will help you at all, generally they have lesser/equal abilities to the one form you did pick to stat out. Especially if you change into the gray glutton as you will lose str and your weapon will be of the wrong size for your form. Also, comparing to what your other character had you have 6 higher AC but a lower touch ac. All of that difference can be eliminated by your other character useing his charge of alter self. Also, you are sitting pretty at about 800k right now, adding on extra pearls of power is a bit out of the question ;) All in all the two characters are not horribly disimilar in a lot of ways. Sure the halfling does better in several areas, but this is more from incredible min/maxing where you simply ignore fighter stats because later in your carear you will have this item. But even then it isnt so incredibly better across the board (some areas are, some arent) as to be able to say the item is horribly overpowered. I would like to know where that damage output comes from though, it seems incredibly off. I cant even begin to look at the rest of the damage stats until that part is explained. [/QUOTE]
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