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<blockquote data-quote="Elder-Basilisk" data-source="post: 1727447" data-attributes="member: 3146"><p>Whenever he uses the boots of speed he would have a move of 40 or 50 (depending how one interprets "up to a max of the character's speed"). If he has a Fly spell in his ring of spell storing, that increases his movement as well. So, when he needs the movement, he would be able to get it. However, spring attack is useful in quite a few situations where he wouldn't need the movement as well. Closing against a creature with reach? Spring attack. Need to leave a creature's reach so that the cleric can heal him without provoking an AoO? Spring attack. Want to get behind the enemy skirmish line to beat up on their spellcasters? Or just want to set up a flank for the rogue? Spring Attack. Up against a foe who is advantaged by trading full attacks but disadvantaged by trading single attacks? Spring Attack. Heck, even "took a five foot step, started a full attack, scored a critical on the first blow and took down my enemy, what do I do with the rest of the round?" Spring Attack lets the fighter reposition himself. (Quickdraw also gives him the option to finish the full attack with ranged attacks if he wants to do that).</p><p></p><p>So the answer to that is "yes, he would." I wouldn't have put the feat on the character if I didn't think it was useful.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>What, is the difference between "simulating" being a good class and actually being a good class? As far as I can tell, it's only the level of condescension you get to employ.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>True but none of the PsyWars statted up here have anything even remotely resembling the fighter's tactical flexibility except in their powers. In order to fund their all-day powers, crank their claw damage, or gain access to non-standard powers, they needed to spend those feats elsewhere. You could make a PsyWar with the non-power based tactical options of a fighter but the other PsyWar abilities showcased in the builds you submitted would suffer. (Personally I was expecting to see a PsyWar with Hustle, some of the expend focus feats, and a more fighter-like style but it may be that such characters are much better as multiclass fighter/PsyWars).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Elder-Basilisk, post: 1727447, member: 3146"] Whenever he uses the boots of speed he would have a move of 40 or 50 (depending how one interprets "up to a max of the character's speed"). If he has a Fly spell in his ring of spell storing, that increases his movement as well. So, when he needs the movement, he would be able to get it. However, spring attack is useful in quite a few situations where he wouldn't need the movement as well. Closing against a creature with reach? Spring attack. Need to leave a creature's reach so that the cleric can heal him without provoking an AoO? Spring attack. Want to get behind the enemy skirmish line to beat up on their spellcasters? Or just want to set up a flank for the rogue? Spring Attack. Up against a foe who is advantaged by trading full attacks but disadvantaged by trading single attacks? Spring Attack. Heck, even "took a five foot step, started a full attack, scored a critical on the first blow and took down my enemy, what do I do with the rest of the round?" Spring Attack lets the fighter reposition himself. (Quickdraw also gives him the option to finish the full attack with ranged attacks if he wants to do that). So the answer to that is "yes, he would." I wouldn't have put the feat on the character if I didn't think it was useful. What, is the difference between "simulating" being a good class and actually being a good class? As far as I can tell, it's only the level of condescension you get to employ. True but none of the PsyWars statted up here have anything even remotely resembling the fighter's tactical flexibility except in their powers. In order to fund their all-day powers, crank their claw damage, or gain access to non-standard powers, they needed to spend those feats elsewhere. You could make a PsyWar with the non-power based tactical options of a fighter but the other PsyWar abilities showcased in the builds you submitted would suffer. (Personally I was expecting to see a PsyWar with Hustle, some of the expend focus feats, and a more fighter-like style but it may be that such characters are much better as multiclass fighter/PsyWars). [/QUOTE]
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