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Melee Training - Good or Bad?
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<blockquote data-quote="DracoSuave" data-source="post: 4722114" data-attributes="member: 71571"><p>I wouldn't say that it is.</p><p></p><p>It depends on your group make up. Without a character doling out MBAs, feats that make MBAs matter are pretty slim pickings, and there's only a handful of melee attackers that rely on non-strength:</p><p></p><p>Swordmages</p><p>Avengers</p><p>Rogues</p><p>Bards</p><p>Druids</p><p>Paladins (Cha-based)</p><p></p><p>1) Swordmages haven't had a problem with Intellegent Blademaster, it was never a -must have- feat for them. It was a good feat, tho, for Assault Swamis. Melee Training is -the same thing.-</p><p></p><p>2) Rogues get their best damage from Sneak Attack. Generally when someone is handing out the free attacks, they've already gotten their SA damage in, and thusly aren't the best candidate for the free attack. MBA is, without SA, suboptimal for them compared to most. Melee Training won't change that.</p><p></p><p>3) Bards are more likely handing out free attacks than taking attacks. However, Valor bards might find it -useful- for OAs. However, they might find their feat-use better spent on things that make them better leaders, or on their multiclassing if they're that sort of bard.</p><p></p><p>4) Druids have at-wills that count as MBAs. They will never need Melee Training. Never. And if they aren't in beast form, they're not on the front lines.</p><p></p><p>5) Paladins and Avengers. Now, here's where the usefulness comes in more. Charismadins will find this feat delicious, as it helps their role as defender, bolstering their OAs.</p><p></p><p>Avengers, on the other hand, are a great candidate for the free MBAs from Bards/Warlords/Etc. They have a tendancy to use two-handed weapons (they have a better AC without a shield than with) and if they are in Oath position, then Melee Training +Oath=the best of all candidates for free MBAs. And OAs come easily to them.</p><p></p><p>So: This feat's usefulness is directly proportional to the number of MBAs you get for free from OAs and other characters. Avengers will want it, Charismadins as well, and Swordmages who would have taken IB might likely take this, and other melee characters may or may not. It's hardly -must have- tho. Depends a lot on your group makeup.</p><p></p><p>That said, a warlord with commander's strike makes this feat -very- delicious if taking it makes you the heaviest hitting MBA.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DracoSuave, post: 4722114, member: 71571"] I wouldn't say that it is. It depends on your group make up. Without a character doling out MBAs, feats that make MBAs matter are pretty slim pickings, and there's only a handful of melee attackers that rely on non-strength: Swordmages Avengers Rogues Bards Druids Paladins (Cha-based) 1) Swordmages haven't had a problem with Intellegent Blademaster, it was never a -must have- feat for them. It was a good feat, tho, for Assault Swamis. Melee Training is -the same thing.- 2) Rogues get their best damage from Sneak Attack. Generally when someone is handing out the free attacks, they've already gotten their SA damage in, and thusly aren't the best candidate for the free attack. MBA is, without SA, suboptimal for them compared to most. Melee Training won't change that. 3) Bards are more likely handing out free attacks than taking attacks. However, Valor bards might find it -useful- for OAs. However, they might find their feat-use better spent on things that make them better leaders, or on their multiclassing if they're that sort of bard. 4) Druids have at-wills that count as MBAs. They will never need Melee Training. Never. And if they aren't in beast form, they're not on the front lines. 5) Paladins and Avengers. Now, here's where the usefulness comes in more. Charismadins will find this feat delicious, as it helps their role as defender, bolstering their OAs. Avengers, on the other hand, are a great candidate for the free MBAs from Bards/Warlords/Etc. They have a tendancy to use two-handed weapons (they have a better AC without a shield than with) and if they are in Oath position, then Melee Training +Oath=the best of all candidates for free MBAs. And OAs come easily to them. So: This feat's usefulness is directly proportional to the number of MBAs you get for free from OAs and other characters. Avengers will want it, Charismadins as well, and Swordmages who would have taken IB might likely take this, and other melee characters may or may not. It's hardly -must have- tho. Depends a lot on your group makeup. That said, a warlord with commander's strike makes this feat -very- delicious if taking it makes you the heaviest hitting MBA. [/QUOTE]
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