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Melora's Tide + Healer's Lore
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<blockquote data-quote="nittanytbone" data-source="post: 4390729" data-attributes="member: 35709"><p>Hey, I'm the player in question. Here's the CUST SERV Q&A. I just asked for clarification, but hey, its CUST SERV, so... Yeah. Not too hopeful.</p><p></p><p>Their response:</p><p></p><p></p><p>Here's the book text for a few things in question:</p><p></p><p>HEALER'S LORE</p><p>CHANNEL DIVINITY</p><p></p><p>MELORA'S TIDE (PHB 199)</p><p>This is a "feat power." It is also an Encounter power with the Divine and Healing keywords.</p><p></p><p></p><p>MY THOUGHTS</p><p></p><p>So, the real question is: Is Melora's Tide a "Cleric Power" for purposes of Healer's Lore?</p><p></p><p>Using the logic that nothing but a "Cleric Power" ("Cleric Attack" or "Cleric Utility" qualifies, any of the multiple Channel Divinity options that trigger a healing surge from Chapter 6 would not get to benefit from Healer's Lore either. Additionally, because it is a "class feature," then Healing Word does not qualify for Healer's Lore either.</p><p></p><p>That does not seem to be the intent of the rules!</p><p></p><p>Additionally, while Melora's Tide is a "feat power," Channel Divinity is a Cleric Class Feature that "works like a power." Melora's Tide is another way to use Channel Divinity, as explicitly discussed in the Cleric Class Feature text. Melora's Tide has the Divine and Healing keywords.</p><p></p><p>My thought is that based on the text: Healing Word and Channel Divinity work "like" cleric powers. Melora's Tide is a way to use Channel Divinity, thus, Melora's Tide works "like" a cleric power. The text states that Channel Divinity works "just like" your other cleric powers multiple times.</p><p></p><p>Barring a definitive ruling from the designers, I think common sense needs to kick in somewhere. There's a cleric class feature (Healer's Lore) affecting a cleric power (Channel Divinity) specifically referenced in the cleric section (taking a feat to gain new uses of Channel Divinity). Healer's Lore should at least kick in on the first "tick" of regeneration, even if its not every round. Even if it kicks in every round, that just means that Melora's Tide is done faster as the target is no longer bloodied in a hurry.</p><p></p><p>Plus, allowing Healer's Lore to apply helps Melora's Tide scale better with level. Just how useful is Regen 4 going to be to a fighter at level 15 with 115 HP? Will Regen 6 matter at all to a fighter with 175 HP at level 25?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="nittanytbone, post: 4390729, member: 35709"] Hey, I'm the player in question. Here's the CUST SERV Q&A. I just asked for clarification, but hey, its CUST SERV, so... Yeah. Not too hopeful. Their response: Here's the book text for a few things in question: HEALER'S LORE CHANNEL DIVINITY MELORA'S TIDE (PHB 199) This is a "feat power." It is also an Encounter power with the Divine and Healing keywords. MY THOUGHTS So, the real question is: Is Melora's Tide a "Cleric Power" for purposes of Healer's Lore? Using the logic that nothing but a "Cleric Power" ("Cleric Attack" or "Cleric Utility" qualifies, any of the multiple Channel Divinity options that trigger a healing surge from Chapter 6 would not get to benefit from Healer's Lore either. Additionally, because it is a "class feature," then Healing Word does not qualify for Healer's Lore either. That does not seem to be the intent of the rules! Additionally, while Melora's Tide is a "feat power," Channel Divinity is a Cleric Class Feature that "works like a power." Melora's Tide is another way to use Channel Divinity, as explicitly discussed in the Cleric Class Feature text. Melora's Tide has the Divine and Healing keywords. My thought is that based on the text: Healing Word and Channel Divinity work "like" cleric powers. Melora's Tide is a way to use Channel Divinity, thus, Melora's Tide works "like" a cleric power. The text states that Channel Divinity works "just like" your other cleric powers multiple times. Barring a definitive ruling from the designers, I think common sense needs to kick in somewhere. There's a cleric class feature (Healer's Lore) affecting a cleric power (Channel Divinity) specifically referenced in the cleric section (taking a feat to gain new uses of Channel Divinity). Healer's Lore should at least kick in on the first "tick" of regeneration, even if its not every round. Even if it kicks in every round, that just means that Melora's Tide is done faster as the target is no longer bloodied in a hurry. Plus, allowing Healer's Lore to apply helps Melora's Tide scale better with level. Just how useful is Regen 4 going to be to a fighter at level 15 with 115 HP? Will Regen 6 matter at all to a fighter with 175 HP at level 25? [/QUOTE]
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