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<blockquote data-quote="Gradine" data-source="post: 7093887" data-attributes="member: 57112">Yep, that's the one.Incorrect. We've decided that not because of plot but because of the importance of maintaining the very internal logic consistency you and others have complained are the problems with these feats in the first place. Which is the whole point of that passage you quoted.It is not at all like that. A more appropriate comparison would be &quot;you can't attempt a grapple attack because they're way too big for you to effectively grapple.&quot; (I'd actually re-phrase that as &quot;you can attempt a grapple attack, but because of their size and/or shape you're not going to be successful&quot;.)There is a clear and obvious difference between DM fiat to maintain a sense of realism, immersion and internal consistency (something supported by that rule you quoted) and DM fiat because the DM wants the &quot;plot&quot; to unfold in a certain way (the strawman you've been arguing against).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Gradine, post: 7093887, member: 57112"] Yep, that's the one. Incorrect. We've decided that not because of [I]plot[/I] but because of the importance of maintaining the very internal logic consistency you and others have complained are the problems with these feats in the first place. Which is the whole point of that passage you quoted. It is not at all like that. A more appropriate comparison would be "you can't attempt a grapple attack because they're way too big for you to effectively grapple." (I'd actually re-phrase that as "you can attempt a grapple attack, but because of their size and/or shape you're not going to be successful".) There is a clear and obvious difference between DM fiat to maintain a sense of realism, immersion and internal consistency (something supported by that rule you quoted) and DM fiat because the DM wants the "plot" to unfold in a certain way (the strawman you've been arguing against). [/QUOTE]

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