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<blockquote data-quote="(Psi)SeveredHead" data-source="post: 1642339" data-attributes="member: 1165"><p>Yes, I do recall the bullet point article on "Detect Lie" vs "Sense Motive". Still, your opponent must have Sense Motive to resist, or they have a very good chance of believing anything you say. (In fact, even if your opponent has Sense Motive as a class skill, they need to have a Wisdom score roughly matching your Charisma score, and if you have Charm or Fast Talk...)</p><p></p><p>There are a few house rules about this on the internet. Most deal with Diplomacy, since Bluff (even with it's balance problems) is at least clearer on what it can do.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yeah, the Charismatic still has the edge. Plan has only one edge over Inspiration (but it's a decent one) - the Smart can still gain the bonuses. (Of course, Inspiration gives <em>damage bonuses</em> to <em>ranged attacks</em> and multiple bonuses at once and all that other goodness.)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>True, but it doesn't make up for a low BAB. Even if you are using Plan as well. However, it is pretty decent if you want to resort to occasional violence.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, that's where different system comparisons start to break apart. We hardly discussed how hosed a Strong/Soldier would be when he comes up against magic. Low saves, low MDT... it gets worse.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It depends on whether he uses the D20M or DnD MDT. I'm not sure which one he'd use.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes. It's one of the reasons why I prefer D20 Modern to other class-based D20 system. I really don't want to be told "you're a nobleman, play a Nobleman!"</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>But... but... sometimes suspects shoot back! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></p><p></p><p>Actually, I don't think it would be fair to play an exclusively CSI game. Everyone would end up looking the same.</p><p></p><p>"You took Skill Emphasis (Investigate) too?"</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="(Psi)SeveredHead, post: 1642339, member: 1165"] Yes, I do recall the bullet point article on "Detect Lie" vs "Sense Motive". Still, your opponent must have Sense Motive to resist, or they have a very good chance of believing anything you say. (In fact, even if your opponent has Sense Motive as a class skill, they need to have a Wisdom score roughly matching your Charisma score, and if you have Charm or Fast Talk...) There are a few house rules about this on the internet. Most deal with Diplomacy, since Bluff (even with it's balance problems) is at least clearer on what it can do. Yeah, the Charismatic still has the edge. Plan has only one edge over Inspiration (but it's a decent one) - the Smart can still gain the bonuses. (Of course, Inspiration gives [i]damage bonuses[/i] to [i]ranged attacks[/i] and multiple bonuses at once and all that other goodness.) True, but it doesn't make up for a low BAB. Even if you are using Plan as well. However, it is pretty decent if you want to resort to occasional violence. Well, that's where different system comparisons start to break apart. We hardly discussed how hosed a Strong/Soldier would be when he comes up against magic. Low saves, low MDT... it gets worse. It depends on whether he uses the D20M or DnD MDT. I'm not sure which one he'd use. Yes. It's one of the reasons why I prefer D20 Modern to other class-based D20 system. I really don't want to be told "you're a nobleman, play a Nobleman!" But... but... sometimes suspects shoot back! :D Actually, I don't think it would be fair to play an exclusively CSI game. Everyone would end up looking the same. "You took Skill Emphasis (Investigate) too?" [/QUOTE]
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