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<blockquote data-quote="uzagi_akimbo" data-source="post: 1434880" data-attributes="member: 15945">Hmm, given the fact that a living target's equipment etc. gets transformed as well if its owner/bearer is affected by &quot;polymorph&quot; or &quot;baleful polymorph&quot; I don't see a specific reason why an ( animated/undead)&nbsp; corpse should not be affected.... Especially as the &quot;polymorph&quot; effect in general is able to transform even dead/inanimate matter into anything else - witness &quot;polymorph any object&quot; etc.... Also, a corporeal undead's immunity to most &quot;fortitude&quot; based effects is founded on it not having any metabolism - e.g. something to be affected by a poison, disease, gas, paralysis, stunning jolts, pain or similar means. I will certainly underwrite the logic of that. BUT - 'polymorph' rearranges the material composition of the target, not its metabolism, it changes equipment (dead matter) not fitting to the new form along with the living matter.Of course - sticking to the _letter_ and not to the intended purpose of the &quot;no fortitude effect&quot; rule would preclude polymorphing with &quot;baleful polymorph&quot;, but not by &quot;polymorph any object&quot; or even simply by &quot;polymorph&quot; (given it it was willing, in the later case ) ....... Oh well, after all I could de-petrify an undead, but not petrify it (unless I petrified it with &quot;polymorph any object&quot;, that is ) either... But it is a greyish area - perhaps check with your GM. Speaking for myself, I would permit it - even if only to the shape of a zombie/undead sparrow/wren etc. if I felt nitpickish... On the other hand, I vastly prefer a creative and fun solution that follows the intent of the rules (which for undead IMHO is that their lack of metabolism simply makes a lot of effects useless ) over sticking to the most restrictive (and possibly paradoxical due to its inconsistency) reading of the rule possible. Regarding the initial thread - get yourself scrolls of&nbsp; &quot;polymorph any object&quot;, then wrack havoc at your leisure, just to be on the safe side. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/devious.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":]" title="Devious&nbsp; &nbsp; :]" data-shortname=":]" />&nbsp; <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/devious.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":]" title="Devious&nbsp; &nbsp; :]" data-shortname=":]" />&nbsp; <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/devious.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":]" title="Devious&nbsp; &nbsp; :]" data-shortname=":]" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="uzagi_akimbo, post: 1434880, member: 15945"] Hmm, given the fact that a living target's equipment etc. gets transformed as well if its owner/bearer is affected by "polymorph" or "baleful polymorph" I don't see a specific reason why an ( animated/undead) corpse should not be affected.... Especially as the "polymorph" effect in general is able to transform even dead/inanimate matter into anything else - witness "polymorph any object" etc.... Also, a corporeal undead's immunity to most "fortitude" based effects is founded on it not having any metabolism - e.g. something to be affected by a poison, disease, gas, paralysis, stunning jolts, pain or similar means. I will certainly underwrite the logic of that. BUT - 'polymorph' rearranges the material composition of the target, not its metabolism, it changes equipment (dead matter) not fitting to the new form along with the living matter. Of course - sticking to the _letter_ and not to the intended purpose of the "no fortitude effect" rule would preclude polymorphing with "baleful polymorph", but not by "polymorph any object" or even simply by "polymorph" (given it it was willing, in the later case ) ....... Oh well, after all I could de-petrify an undead, but not petrify it (unless I petrified it with "polymorph any object", that is ) either... But it is a greyish area - perhaps check with your GM. Speaking for myself, I would permit it - even if only to the shape of a zombie/undead sparrow/wren etc. if I felt nitpickish... On the other hand, I vastly prefer a creative and fun solution that follows the intent of the rules (which for undead IMHO is that their lack of metabolism simply makes a lot of effects useless ) over sticking to the most restrictive (and possibly paradoxical due to its inconsistency) reading of the rule possible. Regarding the initial thread - get yourself scrolls of "polymorph any object", then wrack havoc at your leisure, just to be on the safe side. :] :] :] [/QUOTE]

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