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Message: <blockquote data-quote="rounser" data-source="post: 369279" data-attributes="member: 1106">They don't have an AD&D license, nor do they have the "AD&D core rules as a basic engine that everything Hackmaster...could be plugged into."  Hackmaster uses large wodges of AD&D text and intellectual property unchanged.  Look at the druid spells in the PHB, for instance - they're lifted verbatim from AD&D, as is the guts and the majority of the "flavour crunch" (spells, monsters etc.) of the rest of the system.It's an (A)D&D variant, using, from what I gather, all pre-3E (A)D&D intellectual property (including settings, modules, rulesets etc.) under a special license, and is in that respect unique.  D&D clones have to reinvent the wheel.  Unless WotC goes mad and gives everyone else a license to all of the (A)D&D intellectual property as well, it's likely to be one of a kind.  If it's restricted to (A)D&D editions and variants, there is no slippery slope...the buck stops right there if you want it to.Perhaps my differentiation between a D&D variant and a D&D clone is silly to some of you.  So be it - this thread is a nitpicker's delight. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />The original Keep didn't have a setting, originally belonging to all D&D worlds and none, but was retrospectively plonked down in Mystara.  Return to the Keep on the Borderlands was supposed to fit into Greyhawk, but flies in the face of GH canon, and was largely rejected by the GH fanbase without alteration - it too exists in limbo IMO.  Little Keep on the Borderlands fits into Garweeze Wurld, making allusions to the original Keep.  As a tribute like the Return, it is arguably more "about" the original Keep than the setting it's in.Maybe.  Some people are more interested in running Scourge of the Slavelords or Against the Giants (both of have had Returns, and which are getting HM tributes too) than they are in running Greyhawk, though.  You could even argue that the cumulative footprint of Greyhawk's classic modules dwarfs the significance of the setting itself...</blockquote>

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