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Merging the Sorcerer and Warlock
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<blockquote data-quote="Xeviat" data-source="post: 7867042" data-attributes="member: 57494"><p>Perhaps this is because the Warlock ended up being a Charisma class rather than an Intelligence class. I personally don't see the current Warlock being "taught" magic by a fairy queen, I see them being bestowed magic. And if making pacts with devils turns you into Tieflings, and if a Fiend blooded Sorcerer subclass feels like a possible and valid subclass, then I don't see why the Sorcerer and Warlock should be separated. Either your grandpappy was a dragon, or you made a pact with a dragon, now you have dragon magic.</p><p></p><p>We have 6 full casters: 1 Int, 2 Wis, and 3 Cha. There's a big part of me that wishes it was 2/2/2. (We also have 3 half-casters now, Artificer as Int, Ranger as Wis, Paladin as Cha; COINCIDENCE?)</p><p></p><p>There is definitely potential to link the Warlock and Wizard, perhaps more so than the Sorcerer. Sorcerers often take on physical attributes of their bloodline, and leaning harder into that could create a stronger identity for the Sorcerer. Warlocks don't generally have that physicality. As it stands, for the most part, Sorcerers, Warlocks, and Wizards just do magic. The Bard, Cleric, and Druid feel like they have more things going on for them other than magic. I do like the short rest magic recovery and invocations for sorcerers; "eff you, I'm a dragon" just screams having more at-will power to me.</p><p></p><p>Having Arcane Pacts as "shortcuts" to Wizardry would open up the design space for more Wizard subclasses. But I think some settings get a lot of mileage out of Warlocks being the "black magic" devil types, and letting Wizards be more neutral.</p><p></p><p>I've been stuck thinking about this with all the talk of people wanting a full Psion class, rather than doing Psionics fully with subclasses. And while Psion as a type of Wizard doesn't work for me for a lot of reason, "person who does 'magic'" feels kinda like a wizard by another name (especially if they're both Int classes).</p><p></p><p>But, I do want a Psion and Psion feels like it should be an Int class. So, Psion and Wizard as Int, Cleric and Druid as Wis, and Bard and Sorcerer as Cha.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Xeviat, post: 7867042, member: 57494"] Perhaps this is because the Warlock ended up being a Charisma class rather than an Intelligence class. I personally don't see the current Warlock being "taught" magic by a fairy queen, I see them being bestowed magic. And if making pacts with devils turns you into Tieflings, and if a Fiend blooded Sorcerer subclass feels like a possible and valid subclass, then I don't see why the Sorcerer and Warlock should be separated. Either your grandpappy was a dragon, or you made a pact with a dragon, now you have dragon magic. We have 6 full casters: 1 Int, 2 Wis, and 3 Cha. There's a big part of me that wishes it was 2/2/2. (We also have 3 half-casters now, Artificer as Int, Ranger as Wis, Paladin as Cha; COINCIDENCE?) There is definitely potential to link the Warlock and Wizard, perhaps more so than the Sorcerer. Sorcerers often take on physical attributes of their bloodline, and leaning harder into that could create a stronger identity for the Sorcerer. Warlocks don't generally have that physicality. As it stands, for the most part, Sorcerers, Warlocks, and Wizards just do magic. The Bard, Cleric, and Druid feel like they have more things going on for them other than magic. I do like the short rest magic recovery and invocations for sorcerers; "eff you, I'm a dragon" just screams having more at-will power to me. Having Arcane Pacts as "shortcuts" to Wizardry would open up the design space for more Wizard subclasses. But I think some settings get a lot of mileage out of Warlocks being the "black magic" devil types, and letting Wizards be more neutral. I've been stuck thinking about this with all the talk of people wanting a full Psion class, rather than doing Psionics fully with subclasses. And while Psion as a type of Wizard doesn't work for me for a lot of reason, "person who does 'magic'" feels kinda like a wizard by another name (especially if they're both Int classes). But, I do want a Psion and Psion feels like it should be an Int class. So, Psion and Wizard as Int, Cleric and Druid as Wis, and Bard and Sorcerer as Cha. [/QUOTE]
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