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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Crothian" data-source="post: 165680" data-attributes="member: 232">the type of system is to easy to min max and the flaws are never as a good as the merits.  Even in WW I've seen this happen more then not.,  Mostly it's lazy storytellers who refuse to make flaws mean something.However, I think they can be used in d20 if the DM is willing to actual balance them and make them mean something.  However, you cannot balance roll with role (one of WW big's problems).I leave this sort of theing up to the players to come up with.  I'm not going to give them a list so they know X is worth Y points.  THe players are expected to come up with their own and then I balance it out.</blockquote>