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<blockquote data-quote="Ty" data-source="post: 3869413" data-attributes="member: 16824"><p>I feel honored for the attention you all afford me with your responses.</p><p></p><p>I'll toss a couple of thoughts back out there in response to my second post:</p><p></p><p>Buzz, </p><p></p><p>I intend on performing the "wait and see" approach. I never suggested that revisions were not necessary to D&D. I have enjoyed many of the revised rules. It generally, has gotten better over time. Looking back though over the years though, I'm rather hesitant to say that I got the bang for my buck with the 3.5 edition.</p><p></p><p>Wulf,</p><p></p><p>I heard the same thing about CR's and LA's. Frankly, I'm withholding judgment until I see the solid rules; not what they intend for the rules to result in. I don't accept their assertions as truth either. 3.0 and 3.5 were vigorously playtested as well (or so it is claimed).</p><p></p><p>Med Stud,</p><p></p><p>AD&D as a base system was fairly balanced as I recall. It was no more unbalanced than any other system. I'm afraid you have misconstrued my statements about the balance of AD&D v. 3.5. I am saying that AD&D was fairly easy to play out to high levels without extreme amounts of work by the DM and Players. In effect though, generally, intelligent people play these games. They will find ways to break the system any which way you go. I gave up on game balance loooooooong ago. No such thing. </p><p></p><p>As for the market research questions, yeah I do question their abilities. I've seen and participated in their surveys. The resulting actions they take however, don't mesh with their surveys. Besides, if implementation from market research was as easy as you think, GM and Ford would still have a stranglehold on the U.S. auto market.</p><p></p><p>Hong,</p><p></p><p>Great. History does include the Gettysburg address. You get a gold star. If history was unimportant to D&D, then why did WotC release the 30 Years of D&D compendium and why is there a "History of the Miniatures" on the frontpages of the D&D website? It's because the nostalgia and history of the game is what keeps bringing back the old folks like me. You know, the one's with the stable careers (cash) breeding the next generation of geeks to inherit the hobby...</p><p></p><p>I said it once and I'll say it again, I worry about what they are doing. I worry more when I see guys like Heinsoo flippantly disregarding "my" game. That is "my" opinion. It has no more validity than any other opinion, which I recognize.</p><p></p><p>I also recognize that MerricB originally posted his thoughts on 4th Edition. I'm posting mine. The longer Hasbro has owned WotC, the less confidence I have in the work that is being done on the revision. I'm not actively railing against a revision. I am actively questioning some of the background noise I see.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ty, post: 3869413, member: 16824"] I feel honored for the attention you all afford me with your responses. I'll toss a couple of thoughts back out there in response to my second post: Buzz, I intend on performing the "wait and see" approach. I never suggested that revisions were not necessary to D&D. I have enjoyed many of the revised rules. It generally, has gotten better over time. Looking back though over the years though, I'm rather hesitant to say that I got the bang for my buck with the 3.5 edition. Wulf, I heard the same thing about CR's and LA's. Frankly, I'm withholding judgment until I see the solid rules; not what they intend for the rules to result in. I don't accept their assertions as truth either. 3.0 and 3.5 were vigorously playtested as well (or so it is claimed). Med Stud, AD&D as a base system was fairly balanced as I recall. It was no more unbalanced than any other system. I'm afraid you have misconstrued my statements about the balance of AD&D v. 3.5. I am saying that AD&D was fairly easy to play out to high levels without extreme amounts of work by the DM and Players. In effect though, generally, intelligent people play these games. They will find ways to break the system any which way you go. I gave up on game balance loooooooong ago. No such thing. As for the market research questions, yeah I do question their abilities. I've seen and participated in their surveys. The resulting actions they take however, don't mesh with their surveys. Besides, if implementation from market research was as easy as you think, GM and Ford would still have a stranglehold on the U.S. auto market. Hong, Great. History does include the Gettysburg address. You get a gold star. If history was unimportant to D&D, then why did WotC release the 30 Years of D&D compendium and why is there a "History of the Miniatures" on the frontpages of the D&D website? It's because the nostalgia and history of the game is what keeps bringing back the old folks like me. You know, the one's with the stable careers (cash) breeding the next generation of geeks to inherit the hobby... I said it once and I'll say it again, I worry about what they are doing. I worry more when I see guys like Heinsoo flippantly disregarding "my" game. That is "my" opinion. It has no more validity than any other opinion, which I recognize. I also recognize that MerricB originally posted his thoughts on 4th Edition. I'm posting mine. The longer Hasbro has owned WotC, the less confidence I have in the work that is being done on the revision. I'm not actively railing against a revision. I am actively questioning some of the background noise I see. [/QUOTE]
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