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<blockquote data-quote="Ty" data-source="post: 3875406" data-attributes="member: 16824"><p>First, let me apologize a bit. I didn't intend to start a firestorm here in all honesty, regarding 4th Edition. </p><p></p><p>My first concern was pointing out what I personally saw as a potential issue on the redesign efforts. I guess you can lump it into the Devils n' Demons, teiflings/eladrins arguments. It's not easy being eloquent in a post on an internet board.</p><p></p><p>My second concern is that I'm a little concerned that Hasbro (and to some extent, TSR and WotC in the past) are focusing on demographics for gamers. Let me add a caveat here that I do not consider myself a "gamer." I'm wondering aloud if the focus on hardcore gamers who are more accepting of other game systems, be it PnP or electronic, may be part of a problem. </p><p></p><p>I don't know as if the question has ever really been asked of the D&D community as to whether a person is a gamer or a D&D player. I think it does have some impact in your product. I'd hazard a guess that the "grognards" consider themselves D&D players whereas the people who are more accepting of 4th Edition are probably gamers. Just an anecdotal observation, which as someone previously pointed out, is completely worthless for anything. </p><p></p><p>Look, I'm not going to try to defend my opinions point by point because it is just an opinion. I was trying to offer a potentially subtle distinction as to why some people are concerned about the 4th Edition whereas others are embracing it. </p><p></p><p>Personally, I don't have a problem with drastic mechanical changes to the game to make it more playable, more flexible, and more balanced. I was just making some observations that I'm not sure anyone has raised before.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ty, post: 3875406, member: 16824"] First, let me apologize a bit. I didn't intend to start a firestorm here in all honesty, regarding 4th Edition. My first concern was pointing out what I personally saw as a potential issue on the redesign efforts. I guess you can lump it into the Devils n' Demons, teiflings/eladrins arguments. It's not easy being eloquent in a post on an internet board. My second concern is that I'm a little concerned that Hasbro (and to some extent, TSR and WotC in the past) are focusing on demographics for gamers. Let me add a caveat here that I do not consider myself a "gamer." I'm wondering aloud if the focus on hardcore gamers who are more accepting of other game systems, be it PnP or electronic, may be part of a problem. I don't know as if the question has ever really been asked of the D&D community as to whether a person is a gamer or a D&D player. I think it does have some impact in your product. I'd hazard a guess that the "grognards" consider themselves D&D players whereas the people who are more accepting of 4th Edition are probably gamers. Just an anecdotal observation, which as someone previously pointed out, is completely worthless for anything. Look, I'm not going to try to defend my opinions point by point because it is just an opinion. I was trying to offer a potentially subtle distinction as to why some people are concerned about the 4th Edition whereas others are embracing it. Personally, I don't have a problem with drastic mechanical changes to the game to make it more playable, more flexible, and more balanced. I was just making some observations that I'm not sure anyone has raised before. [/QUOTE]
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