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<blockquote data-quote="Wulf Ratbane" data-source="post: 3875918" data-attributes="member: 94"><p>Hey hey! Not bad considering that I haven't opened either book in probably 10 years.</p><p></p><p>Playing our game the other night, one of my fellow gamers (that is, a gamer moreso than a D&D player, but we'll get to that) was busting my balls over how many rules I could remember. My reply at the time was that it really wasn't that different from remembering song lyrics, movie lines, or sports stats.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It's not completely worthless at all. I think it's a 100% accurate observation.</p><p></p><p>What is <em>worthless</em>, in my opinion-- or at least excoriable-- is the tendency for grognards ("D&D players" as opposed to "gamers") to deny people access to the game. You see it manifested in all kinds of ways-- keeping kids out, keeping jocks out, keeping women out, etc. We want to keep "gamers" out as well? Is some kind of purity test necessary?</p><p></p><p>D&D is not your private playground. It needs new players to survive. Whatever changes they make (and I do not think they are all for the better, believe me...) as long as they bring in more players than they lose, it's a net win for D&D. </p><p></p><p>At some point, they might even lose me-- but if in 10 years I discover my kids playing D&D, even if I can't even recognize it, I'm a happy clam.</p><p></p><p>Have to look at the big picture.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Wulf Ratbane, post: 3875918, member: 94"] Hey hey! Not bad considering that I haven't opened either book in probably 10 years. Playing our game the other night, one of my fellow gamers (that is, a gamer moreso than a D&D player, but we'll get to that) was busting my balls over how many rules I could remember. My reply at the time was that it really wasn't that different from remembering song lyrics, movie lines, or sports stats. It's not completely worthless at all. I think it's a 100% accurate observation. What is [i]worthless[/i], in my opinion-- or at least excoriable-- is the tendency for grognards ("D&D players" as opposed to "gamers") to deny people access to the game. You see it manifested in all kinds of ways-- keeping kids out, keeping jocks out, keeping women out, etc. We want to keep "gamers" out as well? Is some kind of purity test necessary? D&D is not your private playground. It needs new players to survive. Whatever changes they make (and I do not think they are all for the better, believe me...) as long as they bring in more players than they lose, it's a net win for D&D. At some point, they might even lose me-- but if in 10 years I discover my kids playing D&D, even if I can't even recognize it, I'm a happy clam. Have to look at the big picture. [/QUOTE]
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