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<blockquote data-quote="Jer" data-source="post: 3494072" data-attributes="member: 19857">That would be nice, if there was any indication that a 3rd party gaming magazine could get enough traction in the market to get enough readership to survive.&nbsp; Paizo is kinda-sorta doing something like this with their Pathfinder material, but even that is a book format -- no need to count on advertising or newsstand distribution, but with the higher cover-price that a book entails.Dragon and Dungeon had the benefit of being &quot;official&quot; sources for D&amp;D material.&nbsp; They could draw on a huge player network for subscribers.&nbsp; ANY third party magazine that tries to do Dragon or Dungeon as &quot;d20 OGL&quot; product is going to face a huge hurdle in getting subscribers as they're only going to be pulling from the ranks of folks who are willing to buy d20, non-&quot;official&quot; material. As a selfish, personal aside, the main reasons I was still getting Dragon anyway were for the &quot;D&amp;D-isms&quot; in the magazine -- things that you just can't get from a third-party product because, well, they aren't allowed to use the material.&nbsp; The Demonomicon articles, the Core Beliefs articles, the Eberron Dragonshards articles -- those are the articles that convinced me to renew my subscription.&nbsp; Having other quality articles in the mix convinced me it was worthwhile overall, but without those core articles I probably would have saved my pennies and bought more Green Ronin or Goodman Games material instead.Interestingly, this isn't the case with Dungeon -- the quality of the adventures has been consistently high enough over the last few years that renewing Dungeon wasn't even a question this time around.&nbsp; I would still get it even without the ties to Greyhawk that show up in the Adventure Path adventures or the occasional Eberron adventure that pops up -- the quality of the adventures in general is just that good and the utility of being able to plop them down on my table is worth the cost to me.&nbsp; I'm hoping that Pathfinder is a decent replacement.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jer, post: 3494072, member: 19857"] That would be nice, if there was any indication that a 3rd party gaming magazine could get enough traction in the market to get enough readership to survive. Paizo is kinda-sorta doing something like this with their Pathfinder material, but even that is a book format -- no need to count on advertising or newsstand distribution, but with the higher cover-price that a book entails. Dragon and Dungeon had the benefit of being "official" sources for D&D material. They could draw on a huge player network for subscribers. ANY third party magazine that tries to do Dragon or Dungeon as "d20 OGL" product is going to face a huge hurdle in getting subscribers as they're only going to be pulling from the ranks of folks who are willing to buy d20, non-"official" material. As a selfish, personal aside, the main reasons I was still getting Dragon anyway were for the "D&D-isms" in the magazine -- things that you just can't get from a third-party product because, well, they aren't allowed to use the material. The Demonomicon articles, the Core Beliefs articles, the Eberron Dragonshards articles -- those are the articles that convinced me to renew my subscription. Having other quality articles in the mix convinced me it was worthwhile overall, but without those core articles I probably would have saved my pennies and bought more Green Ronin or Goodman Games material instead. Interestingly, this isn't the case with Dungeon -- the quality of the adventures has been consistently high enough over the last few years that renewing Dungeon wasn't even a question this time around. I would still get it even without the ties to Greyhawk that show up in the Adventure Path adventures or the occasional Eberron adventure that pops up -- the quality of the adventures in general is just that good and the utility of being able to plop them down on my table is worth the cost to me. I'm hoping that Pathfinder is a decent replacement. [/QUOTE]

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