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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 6335510" data-attributes="member: 87792">Rooms were interesting because the writing was creative.Let's not.  Keep on the Shadowfell is pretty much universally acknowledged as terrible.  White Plume Mountain is a classic for good reason.It is in 4e.  This is part of the problem with it.Which is an utter waste in 4e.  And just more reason that Keep on the Shadowfell is a terrible adventure.If  there's actual interesting terrain in 4e then the system makes it pop  in a way that other editions don't.  You have forced movement which  means that a fight on a dock will be memorable because you're going to push people in the water without giving up all your attack ability.  (Or you're going to keep fluffing your attack rolls). Actually  you have it backwards. 4E fights are at their most interesting and  memorable when the rooms are.  Bridges, walkways, things setting on  fire?  Yes please!  In pre-4e when a pit trap has triggered it is done.   You just step round it.  In 4e when a pit trap has triggered it becomes  a big part of the fight because you then try and throw all the monsters  down there with forced movement.  Set the ground on fire and everyone  steers clear - except in 4e where again you have forced movement and  people in addition to attacking are trying to drive each other into the  fire.Irontooth, Slayer of Parties!Which ranks right up there with Meepo.I'll  drink to that.  Which is why the best way to fix the module is to drop a  bomb on the keep.  Raze it to the ground.  Because it is a terrible  module that should only ever be used to show how not to write 4e.No.  They talk about driving the  wizard back into his own portal from half way across the map.  Or  holding the mountain pass against an entire company of guards. But  they don't tell stories about Keep on the Shadowfell because it's  possibly a worse module than The Forest Oracle.  At least we can make  jokes about The Forest Oracle and some people had fun with it.That  sounds like 3E.  4E because I don't have to clear things with the DM  first, my monk can look at a tower and simply run up the side and kick  the goblins over the battlement.Or, because  the rules are wide ranging and flexible, they learn to use the rules as  building blocks to enable them.  Unless they have a DM trying to shoot  such plans down.And that's when we get Keep on the Shadowfell.No wonder your group is set in its ways.  Why aren't they narrating what they do?You play Warmachine without narrative <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f635.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt="O_o" title="Er... what?    O_o"  data-smilie="12"data-shortname="O_o" /></blockquote>

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