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<blockquote data-quote="Dausuul" data-source="post: 7806562" data-attributes="member: 58197"><p>That is an issue subject to much debate. <a href="https://twitter.com/JeremyECrawford/status/666504395601801216?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E666504395601801216&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.sageadvice.eu%2F2015%2F11%2F18%2Fa-shield-isnt-a-weapon%2F" target="_blank">Jeremy Crawford says a shield isn't a weapon but can be used as an improvised weapon</a>. However, the answer at your table is up to your DM.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Even if allowed, it's highly impractical. Improvised weapons do not count as Light, so you need the Dual Wielder feat; <em>and</em> the only way to get proficiency with improvised weapons is to take the Tavern Brawler feat. So you're investing two feats to do this, and giving up your bonus action, for a small amount of extra damage and +1 to your AC.</p><p></p><p>Now, to the question of whether it is in fact allowed:<a href="https://www.sageadvice.eu/2015/04/20/dual-wielder-and-shield/" target="_blank"> Jeremy Crawford says no</a>, but his reasoning is kinda unclear. He seems to be saying that you can't dual wield improvised weapons, which is an odd place to end up.</p><p></p><p>My personal ruling is that you can treat your shield as an (improvised) weapon, or as a non-weapon, but you have to choose one or the other - you can't call it a non-weapon for the Dueling fighting style and then turn around and say it's a weapon for dual wielding.</p><p></p><p>Given all this, I suggest taking the Shield Master feat instead. Then you can wade into the debate about whether you're allowed to use the bonus action to shove before you make your regular attacks. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dausuul, post: 7806562, member: 58197"] That is an issue subject to much debate. [URL='https://twitter.com/JeremyECrawford/status/666504395601801216?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E666504395601801216&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.sageadvice.eu%2F2015%2F11%2F18%2Fa-shield-isnt-a-weapon%2F']Jeremy Crawford says a shield isn't a weapon but can be used as an improvised weapon[/URL]. However, the answer at your table is up to your DM. Even if allowed, it's highly impractical. Improvised weapons do not count as Light, so you need the Dual Wielder feat; [I]and[/I] the only way to get proficiency with improvised weapons is to take the Tavern Brawler feat. So you're investing two feats to do this, and giving up your bonus action, for a small amount of extra damage and +1 to your AC. Now, to the question of whether it is in fact allowed:[URL='https://www.sageadvice.eu/2015/04/20/dual-wielder-and-shield/'] Jeremy Crawford says no[/URL], but his reasoning is kinda unclear. He seems to be saying that you can't dual wield improvised weapons, which is an odd place to end up. My personal ruling is that you can treat your shield as an (improvised) weapon, or as a non-weapon, but you have to choose one or the other - you can't call it a non-weapon for the Dueling fighting style and then turn around and say it's a weapon for dual wielding. Given all this, I suggest taking the Shield Master feat instead. Then you can wade into the debate about whether you're allowed to use the bonus action to shove before you make your regular attacks. :) [/QUOTE]
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