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<blockquote data-quote="Obryn" data-source="post: 4806241" data-attributes="member: 11821">Need, no, but maybe preference?&nbsp; Why does change have to have a need?And I disagree that this is clear.&nbsp; Apparently, I'm not the only one.&nbsp; It is possible to disagree with your premises, your logic, and/or your conclusion.&nbsp; You're excluding a great deal of middle here.I'll ask again - in your games, do your PCs normally go around slaughtering non-aggressive Neutral monsters without a reason to do so?(1) RC = Rules Cyclopedia.&nbsp; BECMI D&amp;D, if you will.(2) In any RPG you've ever played, has there ever been an assumption that every non-PC race is something that just exists to be killed?&nbsp; I've certainly never played in one.&nbsp; Since you're not projecting from playing in some bizarre combat-centric game yourself, you're again putting something on the game system that is not there.Again, if you can't discuss 4e as an RPG rather than the bizarre combat tactical hackfest you want it to be, I don't know that we have any common ground to discuss this.-O</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Obryn, post: 4806241, member: 11821"] Need, no, but maybe preference? Why does change have to have a need? And I disagree that this is clear. Apparently, I'm not the only one. It is possible to disagree with your premises, your logic, and/or your conclusion. You're excluding a great deal of middle here. I'll ask again - in your games, do your PCs normally go around slaughtering non-aggressive Neutral monsters without a reason to do so? (1) RC = Rules Cyclopedia. BECMI D&D, if you will. (2) In any RPG you've ever played, has there [I]ever[/I] been an assumption that every non-PC race is something that just exists to be killed? I've certainly never played in one. Since you're not projecting from playing in some bizarre combat-centric game yourself, you're again putting something on the game system that is not there. Again, if you can't discuss 4e as an RPG rather than the bizarre combat tactical hackfest you want it to be, I don't know that we have any common ground to discuss this. -O [/QUOTE]

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