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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kerrick" data-source="post: 1161070" data-attributes="member: 4722">Okay, after scanning over this thread, I've seen some really good ideas, stuff that (with some work) could be made into a workable system. Our group pretty much uses metamagic on the fly - if you have the feat, you can cast the spell with it without having to memorize it beforehand (yeah, we play a little fast and loose with the rules...).  I like Spat's system, rough as it is. Couple this with the 5-LA system, add in that sorcerers gain metamagic feats as bonus feats (1/5 levels, like they do in our campaign - wizards are restricted to item creation feats) and the "each time you buy the feat, you can use it X more times/day," tweak it a bit, and it could work.   This and similar comments made me think of this: you institute a simple mechanic - a spellcaster cannot add feats that increase the level beyond his spellcasting ability score modifier. That is, Rolf the wizard (Int 18, +4 mod) can't add more than +4 LA to any given spell. This penalizes the less powerful spellcasters and benefits those who are smarter/wiser/more charismatic, you say? Well of COURSE it does! They can cast higher-level spells, and gain bonus spells for high scores, so they should logically be able to cast more metamagick'ed spells with those higher scores as well. It's a simple solution, IMO, which works on an already-existing mechanic, and thus the players can't complain too much about balance (and it relieves headaches for the DM).   Same here. Our group knows full well that anything we abuse will come back to us in spades from the NPCs. Our DM has told us multiple times that "Anything you use, your enemies can use also," and it works. For one thing it cuts down on rules abuse by orders of magnitude, and forced us to come up with more creative ways of defeating our enemies. We're always thinking up new and different ways to use spells,or coming up with new spells, PrCs, etc. Yes, it's called "The DM isn't doing his job properly." Our campaign is high-power, high-magic, and it has yet to come to that point - more often it devolves into a slugfest - weapons, spells, brute force, whatever works. If one spell decides the course of a battle, it's more often a fluke than anything. Personally, I don't bother with metamagic - I've got better things to spend my feat slots on, and I usually just forget about them, which kind of tells you how important they are to me. Some of the other players in the group use them, but not very often.</blockquote>

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