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Message: <blockquote data-quote="LightPhoenix" data-source="post: 1380523" data-attributes="member: 115">Whoops, didn't check in on this thread. StAlda, my apologies if I offended.  As SteelDraco suggested, I (among others) simply misinterpreted your post. The ideas I posted were completely off the top of my head, not playtested at all.  I didn't expect them to be balanced in any way, shape, or form - only as a possible alternate line of thinking in the approach that you've taken the first steps in.  Though the example you posts was incorrect with what I posted - you would spend two 8th level slots to cast a Silent 8th spell.  At high levels you're almost always better off casting more spells than more powerful ones... especially because the metamagic feats you can apply (disregarding Epic rules for the moment) are weak - I would never cast a Silent 8th level spell period. I'm of the presonal opinion the problem with metamagic lies with the Vancian system itself, in that it's exponential rather than linear.  Which is why I for one am looking forward to the spell point system in UA.  I think the problems with metamagic might be less severe in that system too.</blockquote>