Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Next
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
Twitch
YouTube
Facebook (EN Publishing)
Facebook (EN World)
Twitter
Instagram
TikTok
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
Metamagic for wizards not for sorcerers?
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Aldarc" data-source="post: 7954815" data-attributes="member: 5142"><p>Sure. You may not be looking at it the bigger picture here. Sorcerers are not so much a class that is dipped into; instead, they are more often a class that dips: e.g., into warlock (Sorlock) and into paladin (Sorcadin). Part of the reason has to do with the number of (sub-)classes that key-off Charisma as their stat (i.e., Bard, Paladin, Sorcerer, Warlock) versus the number of (sub-)classes that key-off Intelligence (i.e., Wizard). So you will typically not see Arcane Tricksters or Eldritch Knights dip into Sorcerer, but you are more likely to see them dip into Wizard, since they all use Intelligence. But you do see a lot of multi-class combos that involve Charisma-based class combinations. Sorcerer dipping is also nowhere near as much of an issue as Warlock dipping. People aren't really dipping into Wizard because the best way to play a Wizard is 1-20 or maybe 1-19, depending if one goes a level of fighter or cleric. Wizards have more incentives to stay a single-class, whereas Warlocks, Sorcerers, and even Paladins (to some extent, due to how bottom-heavy the class is) are weaker single-classes. (A paladin is an unquestionably strong single-class, but its strength can also bolster weaker Charisma casters.) </p><p></p><p>In older editions, spontaneous casting was a sorcerer thing. It was taken from them in 5e and given to nearly everyone. I think wizards won that exchange.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Aldarc, post: 7954815, member: 5142"] Sure. You may not be looking at it the bigger picture here. Sorcerers are not so much a class that is dipped into; instead, they are more often a class that dips: e.g., into warlock (Sorlock) and into paladin (Sorcadin). Part of the reason has to do with the number of (sub-)classes that key-off Charisma as their stat (i.e., Bard, Paladin, Sorcerer, Warlock) versus the number of (sub-)classes that key-off Intelligence (i.e., Wizard). So you will typically not see Arcane Tricksters or Eldritch Knights dip into Sorcerer, but you are more likely to see them dip into Wizard, since they all use Intelligence. But you do see a lot of multi-class combos that involve Charisma-based class combinations. Sorcerer dipping is also nowhere near as much of an issue as Warlock dipping. People aren't really dipping into Wizard because the best way to play a Wizard is 1-20 or maybe 1-19, depending if one goes a level of fighter or cleric. Wizards have more incentives to stay a single-class, whereas Warlocks, Sorcerers, and even Paladins (to some extent, due to how bottom-heavy the class is) are weaker single-classes. (A paladin is an unquestionably strong single-class, but its strength can also bolster weaker Charisma casters.) In older editions, spontaneous casting was a sorcerer thing. It was taken from them in 5e and given to nearly everyone. I think wizards won that exchange. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
Metamagic for wizards not for sorcerers?
Top