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<blockquote data-quote="Pax" data-source="post: 613329" data-attributes="member: 6875">No offense, but ... don't presume I've presetned the whole of the revised system I'm putting together.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />&nbsp; In actuality, there's a couple other things going on, which I hadn't mentioned before (due to RL time issues).&nbsp; For one, no metamagic can be used twice, on the same spell.&nbsp; So, no multiple empowers.&nbsp; For two, I have beenlooking at various methods of preventing spellcasters from being able to metamagick their highest level spells (one idea so far is, not until you're one level HIGHER than the one at which you can begin casting spells of that level; IOW, a 6th level Wizard could metamagick their fireball, but a 5th level Wizard just learned how to cast Fireball at all ... so cannot &quot;tweak&quot; spell peformance).Obviously you didn't kow about those two details, but please ... give me more credit than assuming I'd allow infinite stacking of every metamagick, to such ludicrous ends as a 5d20 fireball for only 12 subdual.See above.&nbsp; a &quot;Empower v2.0&quot; Magic Missile would cost 1 subdual, and each missile would do 1d6+1 ... and that'd be the end of it.&nbsp; Frankly, I don't consider it brokenly powerful (very good yes, but not ludicrouslypowerful).&nbsp; On average, the empoer spell revision I've got gives about +1 damage per die.&nbsp; The smaller the initial die (MM, Fireball), the bigger the perceived benefit.&nbsp; But look at d8 or larger die spells.Lastly, I take the same approach to upping the die size as with increasint he size of a wepaon.&nbsp; Nothing does 1d20 ... go up form 1d12, you get (IIRC) 2d6.&nbsp; No net gain in damage potential, though your average goes up slightly (from 6.5 to 7.0) per d12.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Pax, post: 613329, member: 6875"] No offense, but ... don't presume I've presetned the whole of the revised system I'm putting together. :) In actuality, there's a couple other things going on, which I hadn't mentioned before (due to RL time issues). For one, no metamagic can be used twice, on the same spell. So, no multiple empowers. For two, I have beenlooking at various methods of preventing spellcasters from being [b]able[/b] to metamagick their highest level spells (one idea so far is, not until you're one level HIGHER than the one at which you can begin casting spells of that level; IOW, a 6th level Wizard could metamagick their fireball, but a 5th level Wizard just learned how to cast Fireball at [b]all[/b] ... so cannot "tweak" spell peformance). Obviously you didn't kow about those two details, but please ... give me more credit than assuming I'd allow infinite stacking of every metamagick, to such [b]ludicrous[/b] ends as a 5d20 fireball for only 12 subdual. See above. a "Empower v2.0" Magic Missile would cost 1 subdual, and each missile would do 1d6+1 ... and that'd be the end of it. Frankly, I don't consider it brokenly powerful ([b]very good[/b] yes, but not ludicrouslypowerful). On average, the empoer spell revision I've got gives about +1 damage per die. The smaller the initial die (MM, Fireball), the bigger the perceived benefit. But look at d8 or larger die spells. Lastly, I take the same approach to upping the die size as with increasint he size of a wepaon. Nothing does 1d20 ... go up form 1d12, you get (IIRC) 2d6. No net gain in damage potential, though your average goes up slightly (from 6.5 to 7.0) per d12. [/QUOTE]

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