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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Plane Sailing" data-source="post: 336172" data-attributes="member: 114">I'd be generous and make it 3d4 for each round of its effect, including all the extended rounds.After all, if someone used empowered, extended sleep, I wouldn't make the creatures additionally slept by the empowerment wake up before the extended duration started. If you empower and enlarge a cone of cold, does the whole cone do the extra damage? Silly examples, but do you get my point?The non-stacking of maximise and empower is obviously the touchstone when trying to think about how metamagic stacks, since that example is clearly given. I think it makes sense when looking at metamagic which affects the same component of the spell (they both affect damage). When the metamagic affects different components (damage/range/duration) I think it is simplest to allow them to fully improve one another. After all, in the example above the empowered extended Acid Arrow is a 5th level spell... and even with my ruling is nowhere near as powerful as Cone of Cold or Cloudkill...Cheers</blockquote>