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<blockquote data-quote="pyk" data-source="post: 1479290" data-attributes="member: 14254"><p>Ok, now, if one takes the individual descriptions of each meteamagic rod [empower only used here for simplicity] it would seem as though the rod can be used during the casting of the spell, instead of the preparing of the spell.</p><p></p><p>However, if this is taken literally, this means the description of the rods as a whole must be taken literally, and means that bards, clerics casting spontaneous cure spells, and druids casting spontaneous summon nature's ally spells do not have the extra casting time added to their spontaneous casting ability.</p><p></p><p>However, this implicitly goes against the class descriptions, as well as the metamagic feat descriptions, as they both explicitly mention the extra casting time involved in casting metamagic spells.</p><p></p><p>As this part of the metamagic rods is wrong, it is logical to believe other parts may have some wrongness (sic) to them, as well?</p><p></p><p>Therefore, when examining the descriptions for both the classes, the magic overview, and the metamagic feats it is explicitly mentioned that wizards and divine spellcasters <strong>must</strong> add the metamagic feat to their spells <strong><u>when they are preparing them</u></strong>.</p><p></p><p>In other words, the individual descriptions of the rods themselves is misleading, but not blatantly wrong, as there are certain classes that are allowed to add metamagic ability to their spells as they are cast.</p><p></p><p>When the individual rules are looked at out of context, there are all sorts of loopholes that competitive players are able to manipulate to their advantage. But, when all the rules are applied in context, it is easy to see where the exceptions apply, and easy to make out the misleading and false parts.</p><p></p><p>Wizards are allowed to use metamagic feats only when preparing spells, ergo any item that confers the use of a metamagic feat can only be applied during preperation.</p><p></p><p>As such, metamagic rods are only usable by wizards during preperation of spells, not during the casting of spells. If this were possible, there would be an explicit statement detailing the exception to the wizard/metamagic rule.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pyk, post: 1479290, member: 14254"] Ok, now, if one takes the individual descriptions of each meteamagic rod [empower only used here for simplicity] it would seem as though the rod can be used during the casting of the spell, instead of the preparing of the spell. However, if this is taken literally, this means the description of the rods as a whole must be taken literally, and means that bards, clerics casting spontaneous cure spells, and druids casting spontaneous summon nature's ally spells do not have the extra casting time added to their spontaneous casting ability. However, this implicitly goes against the class descriptions, as well as the metamagic feat descriptions, as they both explicitly mention the extra casting time involved in casting metamagic spells. As this part of the metamagic rods is wrong, it is logical to believe other parts may have some wrongness (sic) to them, as well? Therefore, when examining the descriptions for both the classes, the magic overview, and the metamagic feats it is explicitly mentioned that wizards and divine spellcasters [b]must[/b] add the metamagic feat to their spells [b][u]when they are preparing them[/u][/b]. In other words, the individual descriptions of the rods themselves is misleading, but not blatantly wrong, as there are certain classes that are allowed to add metamagic ability to their spells as they are cast. When the individual rules are looked at out of context, there are all sorts of loopholes that competitive players are able to manipulate to their advantage. But, when all the rules are applied in context, it is easy to see where the exceptions apply, and easy to make out the misleading and false parts. Wizards are allowed to use metamagic feats only when preparing spells, ergo any item that confers the use of a metamagic feat can only be applied during preperation. As such, metamagic rods are only usable by wizards during preperation of spells, not during the casting of spells. If this were possible, there would be an explicit statement detailing the exception to the wizard/metamagic rule. [/QUOTE]
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