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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Spatzimaus" data-source="post: 3104870" data-attributes="member: 3051">It's not that bad, but really, I think they did the right thing by switching to a Feat-based system.  Consider:> Sorcerers and Psions would have to spend their very limited "spells known" slots to get these> If Clerics and Druids don't have these on their class lists they can't use them at all, but if they do, it's even more of an advantage over the limited-known classes (or even the Wizard).> This really slows down the caster, especially in 3.5E where he can no longer use haste to double-cast.Now, I'm not saying they implemented the Feats in a way that I like.  In fact, my group reworked metamagic a while back.  And I think these spells would be pretty nice if implemented in addition to to the Feats.  But I don't think they're good enough to replace them.Also, one question:"a full round to cast" is a huge penalty.  Are you sure you didn't mean "a full round action to cast" (like what Sorcerers and Bards deal with)?</blockquote>