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<blockquote data-quote="Caliban" data-source="post: 1386406" data-attributes="member: 284">Not true.&nbsp;&nbsp; Read the feat, Twin causes the spell to be cast a second time.&nbsp; If you apply Twin it before applying the empower, only one copy of the spell get's empowered.&nbsp;&nbsp; If you applied empower before Twin, then you would have two Empowered spells for the price of one Empower.&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;Once again, why should Twin multiply the effects of other metamagic feats?&nbsp; &nbsp;Also, where do you get the interpretation that &quot;original spell&quot; somehow includes the spell+metamagic feats?&nbsp; You still haven't answered that question. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Really?&nbsp; &nbsp; The only assumption I'm making is that it works the same way for all feats.&nbsp;&nbsp; What are all these extra assumptions you say I'm making? &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; And why do you believe that doesn't apply to other feats as well?&nbsp;&nbsp; What rules based support do you have for your intepretation?&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I think it does imply exactly that.&nbsp;&nbsp; But even if it doesn't,&nbsp; what makes you think it would work differently for all other feats?&nbsp;&nbsp; Does anything imply differently?&nbsp;&nbsp; What are you using as a basis for your interpretation?&nbsp;&nbsp; You've haven't answered that question either. &nbsp;I've answered every single one of your case by case questions, please do me the courtesy of answering the questions I've repeatedly asked you.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Caliban, post: 1386406, member: 284"] Not true. Read the feat, Twin causes the spell to be cast a second time. If you apply Twin it before applying the empower, only one copy of the spell get's empowered. If you applied empower before Twin, then you would have two Empowered spells for the price of one Empower. Once again, why should Twin multiply the effects of other metamagic feats? Also, where do you get the interpretation that "original spell" somehow includes the spell+metamagic feats? You still haven't answered that question. Really? The only assumption I'm making is that it works the same way for all feats. What are all these extra assumptions you say I'm making? And why do you believe that doesn't apply to other feats as well? What rules based support do you have for your intepretation? I think it does imply exactly that. But even if it doesn't, what makes you think it would work differently for all other feats? Does anything imply differently? What are you using as a basis for your interpretation? You've haven't answered that question either. I've answered every single one of your case by case questions, please do me the courtesy of answering the questions I've repeatedly asked you. [/QUOTE]

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