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<blockquote data-quote="Li Shenron" data-source="post: 1387139" data-attributes="member: 1465">In case you want to make a tiny pause, would you mind these questions?&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> 1) why Caliban are you saying that if Twinned doubled e.g. a previously applied Empower you would be getting an extra empower for free? An empowered Fireball is 5th level, if also twinned becomes 9th level: you are casting 2 Empowered Fireballs with a slot 9 instead of with 2 slots 5; is this out of line compared with twinning a damaging spell of level 5 already? wouldn't it suck if you didn't get the second empowered as well, since you are paying a huge +6 on the slot?2) if a twinned spell ignored other metamagic, how could you twin spells altered with Silent Spell or Still Spell? since you are only casting once, you would have to rule either that both are silenced/stilled or none. What if you twinned a Quickened spell? would you allow only one to be quickened because of your &quot;general rule&quot;? in that case, you would simply have no effect</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Li Shenron, post: 1387139, member: 1465"] In case you want to make a tiny pause, would you mind these questions? :) 1) why Caliban are you saying that if Twinned doubled e.g. a previously applied Empower you would be getting an extra empower for free? An empowered Fireball is 5th level, if also twinned becomes 9th level: you are casting 2 Empowered Fireballs with a slot 9 instead of with 2 slots 5; is this out of line compared with twinning a damaging spell of level 5 already? wouldn't it suck if you didn't get the second empowered as well, since you are paying a huge +6 on the slot? 2) if a twinned spell ignored other metamagic, how could you twin spells altered with Silent Spell or Still Spell? since you are only casting once, you would have to rule either that both are silenced/stilled or none. What if you twinned a Quickened spell? would you allow only one to be quickened because of your "general rule"? in that case, you would simply have no effect [/QUOTE]

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