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<blockquote data-quote="Caliban" data-source="post: 1388113" data-attributes="member: 284">No you are ignoring the cost of the Twin feat. +4 for Twin, +2 for Empower. &nbsp;You pay for one Empower, and one Twin.&nbsp; So you get one Empower and one extra spell.&nbsp; &nbsp;If you could Empower both fireballs using Twin it would be equivalent of a +8 level increase, not a +6.&nbsp; (An Empower on the base spell, and extra spell from Twin, and an Empower on the duplicate spell as well.) &nbsp;This would make Twin better than Quicken for most spells. &nbsp;You are trying to create a complication that doesn't exist. &nbsp;You said it yourself: You are only actually casting it once. So you only need to worry about Silence or Still once. Twin is creating a duplicate of the spell, it doesn't require you to actually stop and cast it a second time. &nbsp;And yes, you can Twin a Quickened spell. Quicken lets you cast the spell faster, Twin creates a duplicate of the spell. They do two different things.&nbsp;Seriously, it's not that complicated, these &quot;problems&quot; you are bringing up aren't problems at all.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Caliban, post: 1388113, member: 284"] No you are ignoring the cost of the Twin feat. +4 for Twin, +2 for Empower. You pay for one Empower, and one Twin. So you get one Empower and one extra spell. If you could Empower both fireballs using Twin it would be equivalent of a +8 level increase, not a +6. (An Empower on the base spell, and extra spell from Twin, and an Empower on the duplicate spell as well.) This would make Twin better than Quicken for most spells. You are trying to create a complication that doesn't exist. You said it yourself: You are only actually casting it once. So you only need to worry about Silence or Still once. Twin is creating a duplicate of the spell, it doesn't require you to actually stop and cast it a second time. And yes, you can Twin a Quickened spell. Quicken lets you cast the spell faster, Twin creates a duplicate of the spell. They do two different things. Seriously, it's not that complicated, these "problems" you are bringing up aren't problems at all. [/QUOTE]

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