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<blockquote data-quote="Greenfield" data-source="post: 7554206" data-attributes="member: 6669384">So, according to that a Wizard can, with the appropriate creation feat, store a metamagicked spell in a scroll, potion or wand.&nbsp; I observe that it doesn't say &quot;spellbook&quot;.&nbsp; It also says that they can copy a spell from a scroll into their book.&nbsp; It doesn't say that they can copy the spell, plus metamagic, into a book.Now, to be clear, we are talking two separate game systems here:&nbsp; You're quoting the Pathfinder SRD, while I'm using 3.5.&nbsp; But, from your own quotes I still don't see the metamagic version of a spell landing in a spell book.&nbsp; The spell is still Fireball, not Iceball as some have called it.&nbsp; But there's a way around the rules in Pathfinder:&nbsp; According to the rules for item creation, the item creator can ignore one prerequisite if they can beat the Spellcraft check by five (5) points.Looking at the process for creating a scroll, knowledge of the spell is explicitly listed as a &quot;prerequisite&quot;.&nbsp; (Don't take my word for it, since I really don't play Pathfinder.&nbsp; Check for yourselves.)&nbsp; That makes the creation of new spells pretty easy.&nbsp; (Too easy in my opinion, but that's a topic for another discussion.)&nbsp; Obviously you need to talk to the DM about such &quot;new&quot; spells.&nbsp; He/she may add additional adjustments to that roll, the end spell level or effects, or may outlaw it all together.Still, using that admittedly questionable approach to the rules, you should be able to invent Iceball as a 3rd level spell.&nbsp; The area, damage and Save are comparable to Fireball, and it's actually a bit weaker, since it can't set unattended items on fire.&nbsp; You could rebalance that by having it extinguish unattended flames.&nbsp; (i.e. you can cover/protect your torch, but not your campfire).&nbsp; That's a perfectly justifiable spell at 3rd level, at least in my view.&nbsp; (DM's mileage may vary.)&nbsp; But in the end it isn't a metamagicked Fireball, it's a whole new spell, comparable in area, Save and damage.&nbsp; How's that for a resolution to this issue?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Greenfield, post: 7554206, member: 6669384"] So, according to that a Wizard can, with the appropriate creation feat, store a metamagicked spell in a scroll, potion or wand. I observe that it doesn't say "spellbook". It also says that they can copy a spell from a scroll into their book. It doesn't say that they can copy the spell, plus metamagic, into a book. Now, to be clear, we are talking two separate game systems here: You're quoting the Pathfinder SRD, while I'm using 3.5. But, from your own quotes I still don't see the metamagic version of a spell landing in a spell book. The spell is still Fireball, not Iceball as some have called it. But there's a way around the rules in Pathfinder: According to the rules for item creation, the item creator can ignore one prerequisite if they can beat the Spellcraft check by five (5) points. Looking at the process for creating a scroll, knowledge of the spell is explicitly listed as a "prerequisite". (Don't take my word for it, since I really don't play Pathfinder. Check for yourselves.) That makes the creation of new spells pretty easy. (Too easy in my opinion, but that's a topic for another discussion.) Obviously you need to talk to the DM about such "new" spells. He/she may add additional adjustments to that roll, the end spell level or effects, or may outlaw it all together. Still, using that admittedly questionable approach to the rules, you should be able to invent Iceball as a 3rd level spell. The area, damage and Save are comparable to Fireball, and it's actually a bit weaker, since it can't set unattended items on fire. You could rebalance that by having it extinguish unattended flames. (i.e. you can cover/protect your torch, but not your campfire). That's a perfectly justifiable spell at 3rd level, at least in my view. (DM's mileage may vary.) But in the end it isn't a metamagicked Fireball, it's a whole new spell, comparable in area, Save and damage. How's that for a resolution to this issue? [/QUOTE]

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