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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 6422677" data-attributes="member: 177">Yes.&nbsp; I know the story wasn't *written* by Lot's daughters, so we don't have their opinions on the matter.&nbsp; Bullpucky*.&nbsp; If nothing else, you are confusing, &quot;concede to it as duty, with no other choice available&quot; and &quot;have no objection&quot;.&nbsp; These are in no way synonymous.&nbsp; In fact, history and fiction are *full* of stories where people have a duty that is at odds with their personal desires - it is a primary source of drama.In general, what you're putting forth is the story folks would like to tell, to make them feel better about how badly people have been treated in the past (and, in some cases, to justify treating people badly today).&nbsp; Rape does not, psychologically, cease to be rape because a culture institutionalizes it.&nbsp; Making it a &quot;duty&quot; does not make it any less a violation.Well, that's not what was in the OP.&nbsp; Except in the case where they know the offender, I don't see why any would volunteer - see above Janx's point about how marriage is was frequently used to bind royal houses together.*Edit: I apologize for my dismissive language, but it is how I feel about trying to cloak misogyny in &quot;cultural mores&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 6422677, member: 177"] Yes. I know the story wasn't *written* by Lot's daughters, so we don't have their opinions on the matter. Bullpucky*. If nothing else, you are confusing, "concede to it as duty, with no other choice available" and "have no objection". These are in no way synonymous. In fact, history and fiction are *full* of stories where people have a duty that is at odds with their personal desires - it is a primary source of drama. In general, what you're putting forth is the story folks would like to tell, to make them feel better about how badly people have been treated in the past (and, in some cases, to justify treating people badly today). Rape does not, psychologically, cease to be rape because a culture institutionalizes it. Making it a "duty" does not make it any less a violation. Well, that's not what was in the OP. Except in the case where they know the offender, I don't see why any would volunteer - see above Janx's point about how marriage is was frequently used to bind royal houses together. *Edit: I apologize for my dismissive language, but it is how I feel about trying to cloak misogyny in "cultural mores" [/QUOTE]

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