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<blockquote data-quote="Sadrik" data-source="post: 3173486" data-attributes="member: 14506">Well, my thought here was it really bothered me that the fighter got +3 to reflex and to fortitude. And the rogue got neither. But really that not a sticking point. The magic skill is a different matter. It should be there to shore up the special cases you have provided in your rules. Special rules are ok. They are even more ok in a very simple rpg but they are still special rules. So, after using your skill break down post. I extrapolated the magic skill along with how your will save worked to shore up those special rules.Thanks.Conceptually I agree that a 20th level magi (why are you calling it a magi instead of a wizard?) should be able to, &quot;Call down the thunder.&quot; So does that mean that you think the reflex save should be removed? Because as you have the rules right now they come no where near able to, &quot;Call down the thunder.&quot; Example: say a 20th level wizard with a 20 MIND (+5) casts meteor swarm. His DC would be 10 + 9 (spell level) +5 or DC 24. He shoots bob the warrior with it. Bob the warrior is 15th level and he has a specialty in physical. So he has: 1d20 +18 + DEX. As you can see that easily outstrips the DC of the spell.That is why I suggested the wizard's DC add like this:10 + wizard level (20) + MIND (+5) = 35At least that is a little more difficult for the fighter to deal with.So, wizards dont bring the thunder. My save thing was to try and fix that.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sadrik, post: 3173486, member: 14506"] Well, my thought here was it really bothered me that the fighter got +3 to reflex and to fortitude. And the rogue got neither. But really that not a sticking point. The magic skill is a different matter. It should be there to shore up the special cases you have provided in your rules. Special rules are ok. They are even more ok in a very simple rpg but they are still special rules. So, after using your skill break down post. I extrapolated the magic skill along with how your will save worked to shore up those special rules. Thanks. Conceptually I agree that a 20th level magi (why are you calling it a magi instead of a wizard?) should be able to, "Call down the thunder." So does that mean that you think the reflex save should be removed? Because as you have the rules right now they come no where near able to, "Call down the thunder." Example: say a 20th level wizard with a 20 MIND (+5) casts meteor swarm. His DC would be 10 + 9 (spell level) +5 or DC 24. He shoots bob the warrior with it. Bob the warrior is 15th level and he has a specialty in physical. So he has: 1d20 +18 + DEX. As you can see that easily outstrips the DC of the spell. That is why I suggested the wizard's DC add like this: 10 + wizard level (20) + MIND (+5) = 35 At least that is a little more difficult for the fighter to deal with. So, wizards dont bring the thunder. My save thing was to try and fix that. [/QUOTE]

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